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wuauclt.exe in XP Pro

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  1. 2004/08/20
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Charles,

    I was under the impression that "the smaller one" is the on-line install from Windows Update which will be "tailored" for the specific computer but not downloadable. Could You, please, direct med to the source of that information?

    Johanna,
    I think that BillyBob means bytes ...... ;) ...... not meg! That would be close to the sizes I have, modified on 08/03/2004 and created on 08/13/2004 - I understand that as being created on my computer, otherwise it makes no sense.

    What date for created do You have?

    I have one wuauclt.exe in "ServicePackFiles ", modified 09/09/2002, created 02/19/2004 - the date I installed which makes its origine SP1a.

    I have one wuauclt.exe in "dllcache ", corresponding to the one currently in "system32" but no wuauclt1.exe in "dllcache ".

    Christer
     
  2. 2004/08/20
    Johanna

    Johanna Inactive Alumni Thread Starter

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    Christer

    On August 3, 2004, either we all went to the MS update site and got v5 AU, or the update gave us all that date retroactively, or MS snuck onto our computers that Tuesday and did their thing while we weren't paying attention???

    The Nov 11 2003 date is the day I did MS updates after the last clean reinstall. (October 4, 2003) The August 2002 date is the Bios Flash date I had when I did the last install. XP Pro was originally installed on this computer in January 2002.

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    Oh my !! You are correct my Friend. Thanks for catching the error.

    I am looking at the Rightclick properties of the files in question located in Windows/System32 folder.

    wuauclt.exe version "5.4.3790.2182" properties show it as Windows AutoUpdate.
    Size 111KB (113,944bytes)
    Size on Disk 112KB (114,688bytes)
    Created March, 06, 2004
    Modified Aug, 03 2004

    wuauclt1.exe, version "5.4.3790.2182" properties show it as Windows Update AutomaticUpdate Client.
    Size 163KB (167,704bytes)
    Size on Disk 164KB (167,936bytes)
    Created July, 13, 2004
    Modified Aug, 03, 2004.

    Both files accessed today. Aug, 20, 2004

    What in the world is the difference between SIZE and SIZE ON DISK ?

    And where do they get 163KB from 167,704bytes ?

    Does it ( or can it ) make a difference where we take the readings.

    BillyBob
     
  5. 2004/08/20
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    Hi Christer,

    From Arie's pinned SP2 thread: Right now, SP2 is available only as a Network Installation. The size of the Network Installation download is 266 MB .The Network installation includes all of the Windows XP SP2 files needed for installation on Windows XP Home Edition, Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Media Center Edition. This is an ideal download mechanism for IT professionals who require a downloadable copy of SP2 that they can use for network deployment.

    So why would I want to download a 266 MB install?

    I don't know waht the exact size of the "tailored" SP2 is, have read anywhere from 60 MB to 66MB.

    That it would be available on the Catalog site is an assumption on my part, but I see no reason why it eventually wouldn't be.Tailoring to me means Home or Pro or enterprise. Again, an assumption on my part, but I'd bet on it.

    Saw a post from Abraxas on how he captures the download through AU for cd if that is what your concern is:
    http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php?t=34191

    Regards - Charles

    EDIT: If we keep discussing this subject - maybe a good idea to start a thread on this.
     
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    Christer

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    BillyBob,

    SIZE is the size of the file whereas SIZE ON DISK is the space it occupies on the disk and that depends on cluster size.

    With the standard NTFS cluster size (4096 bytes) if a file is 4097 bytes it will be displayed as SIZE = 4097 - SIZE ON DISK = 8192. The file has been written to 2 clusters and even if only a single byte has been written to the second cluster, it gets marked as used.

    167,704 bytes / 1,024 = 163,773 kB

    You don't divide by 1,000 but 1,024 which is 2^10 (2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2=1,024)

    Christer
     
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    Christer

    Thank you.

    Your reply is now on paper.

    BillyBob
     
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    Christer

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    Charles,

    SP1 and SP1a never were available for download other than the full network version ...... :confused: ...... or have I missed something?

    About the bet ...... :cool: ...... I am inclined to take it but since I have little chance of cashing in when I win ...... :rolleyes: ......

    Christer
     
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    Conceded, and they were both available as a cd from MS, and this may trun out to be the same, we'll see.
    You could always remind me about my tendancy to make assumptions and say I told so :)

    Regards - Charles
     
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    What the heck does this mean?

    Anybody?

    Event Type: Information
    Event Source: ESENT
    Event Category: General
    Event ID: 101
    Date: 8/24/2004
    Time: 8:20:19 AM
    User: N/A
    Computer: COMPUTER
    Description:
    wuauclt (2276) The database engine stopped.

    For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

    Rockit
     
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    Hi Rockit,

    Don't know what it specifically means, but from what I found last night - post above yours - it's a v5 update issue. Since v5 is new, maybe MS doesn't quite know either :)

    Regards - Charles
     
  13. 2004/08/24
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    And that is why I do NOT let MS software (or any other software, for that matter) "phone home" without permission. Since I disabled BITS and AU, there have been no wuauclt or update issues, errors or problems. I also set Norton to stop any unauthorized activity.

    Now that ver 5 WU is out, I am glad that I burned all the updates, patches, hotfixes, Service Packs, (lotsa words for "corrections" and "improvements ", huh?) to cd. In the future, I think I'll download what I want on the kids' comp, and email it to myself, one room away, AFTER I try it out on their computer to see what kind of problems I might have. I am leaning more and more towards skipping SP2 completely because I might inadvertently trigger more information exchange with MS and who knows what could happen then? The irony is that I am more afraid of MS (because they are "trusted ") than any malware out there.

    Johanna
     
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    Hi, I have been researching wuauclt.exe tryting to figure out if it is a system file on my Windows XP Home (SP2 installed) system or not.

    I even wrote up an article on it:
    http://www.sawtoothdistortion.com/Articles/wuaudt.exe.html
    (Don't mind the name of the article... I originally thought it was wuaudt.exe, not wuauclt.exe, due to the small anti-aliased font in my Windows Task Manager.)

    I'm not sure if this has been concluded yet or not... is http://www.liutilities.com/products/wintaskspro/processlibrary/wuauclt/ out of date? Is this a proper Windows update system file for Windows XP with Service Pack 2? I also get the message to insert my Service Pack 2 CD when I delete the files (I found four of them in the Windows directory).

    Also, I did a full system scan and no viruses according to Norton Anti-virus.
     
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    Christer

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    Hi Doucette!

    I don't have SP2 yet but I do have wuauclt.exe which breaks that connection. It was there in XP RTM and XP SP1 too, have checked my previous Ghost Images.

    It is a legit Windows file.

    Christer
     
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    Hi Doucette,

    I just turned on AU to see whether it's the same program as pre SP2. The answer is yes. Now I'm going to shut it off again.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Greetings Christer & Charles,

    I checked the "Date Modified" on my occurances of the file, and they were at least 2 weeks before I installed Service Pack 2. So that breaks that connection too.

    So, what is it?!

    We know that there is a trojon out there that goes by the same name:
    - http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/trojcultb.html
    - http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/backdoor.clt.html

    But, seeing that Norton failed to detect it, I have to conclude that the files I have are legitimate Windows systems files. Is that a proper conclusion?
     
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    But, seeing that Norton failed to detect it, I have to conclude that the files I have are legitimate Windows systems files. Is that a proper conclusion?
    I would say yes. But to prove conclusively, shut the AU service down - not just through the control panel - and see if it's running after that.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Christer

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    Doucette,

    The legit wuauclt.exe resides in C:\Windows\System32 and in addition to that in the C:\Windows\System32\dllcache folder and any C:\Windows\ServicePackFiles\i386 folder.

    The illegit wuauclt.exe resides in C:\Windows and the registry key that was mentioned regarding the baddie has nothing to do with the legit wuauclt.exe.

    Yes and to be 101 % sure check for non-existence of the reg-key.

    Christer
     
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    Doucette

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    You mean shut it down in "services.msc "?

    This is funny, I do not see the process (running) any more! I haven't seen it for days. So there's not much sense in shutting it down now. It won't prove anything.

    I guess I have to wait until it comes back to test it out... If I do not see it come back, then the files must be just the Automatic Update service.

    (The only other possibility is that my files are the trojan files, and I disabled the automatic startup of them in my registry... but I don't remember ever doing that. What a pain these things are to figure out. FYI, I just checked my registry and there is not sign of a registry entry that relates to the trojan's automatic run on startup.)
     
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    Christer

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    Automatic Update runs when You start the computer and shuts down after a while if nothing is to be downloaded or notified to You.

    I assume that a computer that runs 24/7 has some kind of a timer to run it periodically.

    Christer
     
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