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BSOD after system setting idle for 8 hours

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by MitchellCooley, 2008/05/13.

  1. 2008/05/17
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    Mattman,

    Dusted the system. Set TIF to minimum.

    Activity dies down within a minute of startup. CPU activity drops to 0-4 percent.

    One odd thing that keeps coming up is this:

    I am only running Windows Firewall for now. But when I start up - after about a minute or so I get the balloon stating no firewall is on. then the bubble goes away. When I check the security center - firewall is on:confused:


    Mitch
     
  2. 2008/05/17
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    I won't bloat the thread with dump logs after this one. I think everyone gets the picture. But this time i think it was about to "turn off the monitor" when it crashed. Im going to let it sit idle until it tries to turn off the monitor - if it crashes I'll just turn that option off.

    I don't have any "Known good RAM" to try in this system. The system owner told me to just start looking for a new mobo and RAM for it but I hate leaving something unfinished. There has to be a way to resolve this......

    Mitch

    Opened log file 'c:\debuglog.txt'

    Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 6.9.0003.113 X86
    Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


    Loading Dump File [C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini051708-01.dmp]
    Mini Kernel Dump File: Only registers and stack trace are available

    Symbol search path is: SRV*c:\symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
    Executable search path is: C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers
    Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 (Service Pack 2) UP Free x86 compatible
    Product: WinNt, suite: TerminalServer SingleUserTS Personal
    Built by: 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254
    Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x8055a620
    Debug session time: Sat May 17 18:54:16.383 2008 (GMT-5)
    System Uptime: 0 days 1:30:47.942
    Loading Kernel Symbols
    ...........................................................................................................
    Loading User Symbols
    Loading unloaded module list
    ..............
    *******************************************************************************
    * *
    * Bugcheck Analysis *
    * *
    *******************************************************************************

    Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

    BugCheck 10000050, {bed70a04, 0, bf8485de, 2}


    Could not read faulting driver name
    Probably caused by : win32k.sys ( win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+6c9 )

    Followup: MachineOwner
    ---------

    kd> !analyze -v;r;kv;lmtn;.logclose;q
    *******************************************************************************
    * *
    * Bugcheck Analysis *
    * *
    *******************************************************************************

    PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA (50)
    Invalid system memory was referenced. This cannot be protected by try-except,
    it must be protected by a Probe. Typically the address is just plain bad or it
    is pointing at freed memory.
    Arguments:
    Arg1: bed70a04, memory referenced.
    Arg2: 00000000, value 0 = read operation, 1 = write operation.
    Arg3: bf8485de, If non-zero, the instruction address which referenced the bad memory
    address.
    Arg4: 00000002, (reserved)

    Debugging Details:
    ------------------


    Could not read faulting driver name

    READ_ADDRESS: bed70a04

    FAULTING_IP:
    win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+6c9
    bf8485de 3908 cmp dword ptr [eax],ecx

    MM_INTERNAL_CODE: 2

    CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT

    BUGCHECK_STR: 0x50

    PROCESS_NAME: ssflwbox.scr

    LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from bf83cf07 to bf8485de

    STACK_TEXT:
    f192ebac bf83cf07 bc658050 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+0x6c9
    f192ebfc bf83475a bc658050 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxSendMessageCallback+0x1c1
    f192ec20 bf8a534d bc658050 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxSendNotifyMessage+0x46
    f192ec9c bf918cd0 bc6406e8 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxBroadcastMessage+0x2c7
    f192ecc4 bf918f82 8411e038 00000000 8411e038 win32k!xxxBroadcastDisplaySettingsChange+0x3d
    f192ecfc bf8a2792 8411e038 bc5d1588 00000004 win32k!xxxResetDisplayDevice+0x102
    f192ed20 bf8a2576 0006d044 00000000 00000000 win32k!xxxUserChangeDisplaySettings+0x1ba
    f192ed48 804de7ec 0006d044 00000000 00000000 win32k!NtUserChangeDisplaySettings+0x4a
    f192ed48 7c90eb94 0006d044 00000000 00000000 nt!KiFastCallEntry+0xf8
    WARNING: Frame IP not in any known module. Following frames may be wrong.
    0006d04c 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0x7c90eb94


    STACK_COMMAND: kb

    FOLLOWUP_IP:
    win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+6c9
    bf8485de 3908 cmp dword ptr [eax],ecx

    SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 0

    SYMBOL_NAME: win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+6c9

    FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

    MODULE_NAME: win32k

    IMAGE_NAME: win32k.sys

    DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 47e0e106

    FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x50_win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+6c9

    BUCKET_ID: 0x50_win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+6c9

    Followup: MachineOwner
    ---------

    eax=bed70a04 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000000 edx=e193f310 esi=e20e1c10 edi=00000000
    eip=bf8485de esp=f192eb24 ebp=f192ebac iopl=0 vif nv up ei ng nz na po nc
    cs=0008 ss=0010 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0030 gs=0000 efl=00090282
    win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+0x6c9:
    bf8485de 3908 cmp dword ptr [eax],ecx ds:0023:bed70a04=????????
    ChildEBP RetAddr Args to Child
    f192ebac bf83cf07 bc658050 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxInterSendMsgEx+0x6c9 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ebfc bf83475a bc658050 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxSendMessageCallback+0x1c1 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ec20 bf8a534d bc658050 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxSendNotifyMessage+0x46 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ec9c bf918cd0 bc6406e8 0000007e 00000020 win32k!xxxBroadcastMessage+0x2c7 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ecc4 bf918f82 8411e038 00000000 8411e038 win32k!xxxBroadcastDisplaySettingsChange+0x3d (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ecfc bf8a2792 8411e038 bc5d1588 00000004 win32k!xxxResetDisplayDevice+0x102 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ed20 bf8a2576 0006d044 00000000 00000000 win32k!xxxUserChangeDisplaySettings+0x1ba (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ed48 804de7ec 0006d044 00000000 00000000 win32k!NtUserChangeDisplaySettings+0x4a (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f192ed48 7c90eb94 0006d044 00000000 00000000 nt!KiFastCallEntry+0xf8 (FPO: [0,0] TrapFrame @ f192ed64)
    WARNING: Frame IP not in any known module. Following frames may be wrong.
    0006d04c 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0x7c90eb94
    start end module name
    804d7000 806eb500 nt ntoskrnl.exe Wed Feb 28 03:10:41 2007 (45E54711)
    806ec000 806ffd80 hal halacpi.dll Wed Aug 04 00:59:04 2004 (41107B28)
    bf800000 bf9c2800 win32k win32k.sys Wed Mar 19 04:46:46 2008 (47E0E106)
    bf9c3000 bf9d4580 dxg dxg.sys Wed Aug 04 01:00:51 2004 (41107B93)
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    f1272000 f12b2280 HTTP HTTP.sys Thu Mar 16 19:33:09 2006 (441A03C5)
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    f15d6000 f1627480 srv srv.sys Mon Aug 14 05:34:39 2006 (44E051BF)
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    f7484000 f7495f00 sr sr.sys Wed Aug 04 01:06:22 2004 (41107CDE)
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    f74fe000 f752bd80 ACPI ACPI.sys Wed Aug 04 01:07:35 2004 (41107D27)
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    f757d000 f7585e00 disk disk.sys Wed Aug 04 00:59:53 2004 (41107B59)
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    f75cd000 f75d6200 amdk7 amdk7.sys Wed Aug 04 00:59:19 2004 (41107B37)
    f75dd000 f75e9180 cdrom cdrom.sys Wed Aug 04 00:59:52 2004 (41107B58)
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    f76ed000 f76f5700 netbios netbios.sys Wed Aug 04 01:03:19 2004 (41107C27)
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    Unloaded modules:
    f10b7000 f10e2000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f10b7000 f10e2000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f10b7000 f10e2000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f10b7000 f10e2000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f1095000 f10c0000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f13a3000 f13ce000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f188c000 f18b7000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f7b35000 f7b36000 drmkaud.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f18b7000 f18da000 aec.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f1a7f000 f1a8c000 DMusic.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f1a9f000 f1aad000 swmidi.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f7a95000 f7a97000 splitter.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f789d000 f78a2000 Cdaudio.SYS
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f7a45000 f7a48000 Sfloppy.SYS
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    Closing open log file c:\debuglog.txt
     

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  4. 2008/05/18
    PeteC

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    Yes - AOK :)

    Busy yesterday - out all day today lecturing so I'll read up on your recent posts tonight.
     
  5. 2008/05/19
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    Looking at all these, I'm somewhat inclined to say you probably have a very messed up driver floating around. You said you updated the video driver already - can you try just running with the default windows vga driver and see how things go?
     
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    Yes, I can. I am willing to try anything to get this machine to stop driving me nuts.

    Will report back

    Thanks

    Mitch

    Ok, maybe I can't. No mater what I do it reverts back to the Via driver - help?
     
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  7. 2008/05/19
    PeteC

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    You said that you had updated the graphics drivers - what graphics card/chip is installed?

    If the original install of XP was from a retail CD it might be time to consider a repair install.

    Bear in mind that you will need to make a Repair install of XP should you choose to change the mobo and ram ......

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;824125
     
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    Yes, updated the graphics drivers which I got from the viaarena website. Also updated the chipset driver from the same site.

    Motherboard is a Jetway with a Via Unichrome KM266Pro Chipset and Via/S3 Unichrome IGP video adaptor.

    Repair install will be much cheaper my friend than a new board and ram. Will definitely try that first. His XP CD is the one that came with the computer back when it was still a Dell.

    So far, only one more crash since 5-18-08 at 7:40a.m. wierd enough it was at 7:40a.m. 5-19-08. Will have my friend bring his XP cd to work tonight and do a repair install when I get home. He is prepared to buy some new RAM - if just to eliminate that as the culprit.

    Thanks for your patience Pete.

    Mitch
     
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    PeteC

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    I detest unsolved problems :) BTW I worked in R&D all my life - maybe that has something to do with it.
     
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    I'll bet it does.:D

    Just thinking, would it be wise to try SP3 first or do the repair install first?

    Mitch
     
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    You could try that, but I very much doubt if it would have the desired effect given that the computer is up to date with all the patches and SP2 of course. SP3 has only a few new features which most people would not even notice - they are all rather 'deep' - apart from that it is really a rollup of all the security updates since SP2. Mind you an enormous number of library files are replaced and it is possible that they may 'do the trick', but I would not hold your breath:)

    One point - if you then decide to make a repair install uninstall SP3 first through Add/Remove Programs.

    And another point - if IE 7 is installed it cannot be removed after installing SP3 - you have to uninstall IE 7 before installing SP3 and then reinstall IE7 if you want to retain the ability to roll back to IE6.
     
  12. 2008/05/19
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    Hi Mitch

    I am with Pete I don't like unresolved issues either.

    My advice on the repair install? I think Pete will agree!

    It is not good to use a major update like a SP to fix a problem, it just might be the thing that fowls up the SP3 install and the OS possibly resulting in a worse problem up to and including an unbootable system.

    I would take the time to do the repair install and see if you can resolve this issue first.

    I nothing works to resolve it, then it is time to cross your fingers and do the SP3.

    Mike
     
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    It seems that we do not agree completely :D

    Mitch, take Mike's advice and go for the Repair - he has 'real world' experience whereas I am a selftaught single user and tend to take the odd 'risk' having multiple images to restore to.

    A Repair it is.
     
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    okey dokey. A repair it shall be. Will get his CD tonight at work and spend my day off working on this thing.

    Actually, I seem to enjoy working on problems such as these...I learn so much y'all (thats texan for "you folks "):)

    Mitch
     
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    Me too, up to the point it becomes plain frustrating :) Some say it it therapeutic - well, maybe :)
     
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    ok, normally I would be embarrassed to admit I don't know what I am doing....

    Repair install starts the recovery console - I have never used the recovery console and I am not sure what I am supposed to fix.

    Can you point me in the right direction? I'm a fast learner

    Thanks

    Mitch

    Or am I just re-installing windows? There is nothing on the computer that needs keeping - he is having me clean/fix this to give to his neice.
     
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    Hi Mitch

    Confusing - isn't it :)

    Ignore the first option to repair - that takes you to the Recovery Console and proceed as if you were installing Windows - you will be offered the option to repair the existing installation, see .....

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug92.mspx

    I would go for the repair at this stage - ~40 mins

    If you want to make a clean install which involves a lot more work in loading drivers (don't forget the chipset drivers), software, etc - and it requires a full - not upgrade CD, unless you have a full copy of a previous OS - 98, Me as evidence (you will be asked to insert it early on in the installation process) follow my notes ....
     
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    I feel stupid:eek:

    Will report back when the repair install is done.

    Thanks Pete.

    Mitch
     
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    Repair install is complete. Should I wait a while before downloading SP2, just to see how the system reacts, or go ahead with sp2 and watch what happens?

    I'm just glad I knew his home address....didn't think I would have to re-register the software.

    Mitch
     
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    I doubt you will get SP2 - more like SP3, but an interesting scenario - you need SP2 to use Windows Update, but that may have changed since the release of SP3. If you have time leave it a while and see if it BSOD's as before, then download SP3.

    SP2 can be downloaded here ....

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A

    Incidentally there is no need and no benefit in registering XP - activation is a must of course.
     
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    Well, I was hoping. Was playing Monopoly against four computer players and it crashed. Here is the dump. Going for SP2 if I can get it. Otherwise SP3.

    Mitch

    Opened log file 'c:\debuglog.txt'

    Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 6.9.0003.113 X86
    Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


    Loading Dump File [C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini052008-01.dmp]
    Mini Kernel Dump File: Only registers and stack trace are available

    Symbol search path is: SRV*c:\symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
    Executable search path is: C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers
    Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 (Service Pack 1) UP Free x86 compatible
    Product: WinNt
    Built by: 2600.xpsp1.020828-1920
    Kernel base = 0x804d4000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x8054be30
    Debug session time: Tue May 20 06:46:47.195 2008 (GMT-5)
    System Uptime: 0 days 1:24:28.445
    Loading Kernel Symbols
    .........................................................................................................
    Loading User Symbols
    Loading unloaded module list
    ........
    *******************************************************************************
    * *
    * Bugcheck Analysis *
    * *
    *******************************************************************************

    Use !analyze -v to get detailed debugging information.

    BugCheck 35, {83b2b008, 0, 0, 0}

    Probably caused by : kmixer.sys ( kmixer!WriteBuffer+b8 )

    Followup: MachineOwner
    ---------

    kd> !analyze -v;r;kv;lmtn;.logclose;q
    *******************************************************************************
    * *
    * Bugcheck Analysis *
    * *
    *******************************************************************************

    NO_MORE_IRP_STACK_LOCATIONS (35)
    A higher level driver has attempted to call a lower level driver through
    the IoCallDriver() interface, but there are no more stack locations in the
    packet, hence, the lower level driver would not be able to access its
    parameters, as there are no parameters for it. This is a disasterous
    situation, since the higher level driver "thinks" it has filled in the
    parameters for the lower level driver (something it MUST do before it calls
    it), but since there is no stack location for the latter driver, the former
    has written off of the end of the packet. This means that some other memory
    has probably been trashed at this point.
    Arguments:
    Arg1: 83b2b008, Address of the IRP
    Arg2: 00000000
    Arg3: 00000000
    Arg4: 00000000

    Debugging Details:
    ------------------


    CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: DRIVER_FAULT

    BUGCHECK_STR: 0x35

    LAST_CONTROL_TRANSFER: from 80515a29 to 805266db

    STACK_TEXT:
    f1af3d40 80515a29 00000035 83b2b008 00000000 nt!KeBugCheckEx+0x19
    f1af3d58 f123cf3e 83b8d340 83c4bab8 f122c810 nt!IopfCallDriver+0x18
    f1af3d64 f122c810 83c4bab8 00000000 83b8d340 kmixer!WriteBuffer+0xb8
    f1af3d94 f122caa8 00c4baa0 f1af3ddc 00000000 kmixer!MxWorker+0x152
    f1af3dac 8057c73a 83b8d340 00000000 00000000 kmixer!MxPrivateWorkerThread+0x56
    f1af3ddc 805124c1 f122ca52 83b8d340 00000000 nt!PspSystemThreadStartup+0x34
    00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 nt!KiThreadStartup+0x16


    STACK_COMMAND: kb

    FOLLOWUP_IP:
    kmixer!WriteBuffer+b8
    f123cf3e 85c0 test eax,eax

    SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 2

    SYMBOL_NAME: kmixer!WriteBuffer+b8

    FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

    MODULE_NAME: kmixer

    IMAGE_NAME: kmixer.sys

    DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 3d6ddc1c

    FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: 0x35_kmixer!WriteBuffer+b8

    BUCKET_ID: 0x35_kmixer!WriteBuffer+b8

    Followup: MachineOwner
    ---------

    eax=ffdff13c ebx=00000035 ecx=00000000 edx=83b2b008 esi=83c4bab8 edi=83a98000
    eip=805266db esp=f1af3d28 ebp=f1af3d40 iopl=0 nv up ei ng nz na pe nc
    cs=0008 ss=0010 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0030 gs=0000 efl=00000286
    nt!KeBugCheckEx+0x19:
    805266db 5d pop ebp
    ChildEBP RetAddr Args to Child
    f1af3d40 80515a29 00000035 83b2b008 00000000 nt!KeBugCheckEx+0x19 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f1af3d58 f123cf3e 83b8d340 83c4bab8 f122c810 nt!IopfCallDriver+0x18 (FPO: [0,0,1])
    f1af3d64 f122c810 83c4bab8 00000000 83b8d340 kmixer!WriteBuffer+0xb8 (FPO: [1,0,2])
    f1af3d94 f122caa8 00c4baa0 f1af3ddc 00000000 kmixer!MxWorker+0x152 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    f1af3dac 8057c73a 83b8d340 00000000 00000000 kmixer!MxPrivateWorkerThread+0x56 (FPO: [Uses EBP] [1,0,4])
    f1af3ddc 805124c1 f122ca52 83b8d340 00000000 nt!PspSystemThreadStartup+0x34 (FPO: [Non-Fpo])
    00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 nt!KiThreadStartup+0x16
    start end module name
    804d4000 806c6980 nt ntoskrnl.exe Thu Aug 29 04:03:24 2002 (3D6DE35C)
    806c7000 806d9e80 hal halacpi.dll Thu Aug 29 03:05:02 2002 (3D6DD5AE)
    bf800000 bf9bac80 win32k win32k.sys Thu Aug 29 04:14:13 2002 (3D6DE5E5)
    bf9bb000 bfd06380 vtdisp vtdisp.dll Mon Mar 07 20:50:05 2005 (422D12DD)
    bff80000 bff90d80 dxg dxg.sys Thu Aug 29 05:40:42 2002 (3D6DFA2A)
    f122b000 f1251e80 kmixer kmixer.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:28 2002 (3D6DDC1C)
    f15ad000 f15bfe80 wdmaud wdmaud.sys Thu Aug 29 04:00:46 2002 (3D6DE2BE)
    f1610000 f161de00 sysaudio sysaudio.sys Thu Aug 29 04:01:17 2002 (3D6DE2DD)
    f16d4000 f16d7b20 aswRdr aswRdr.SYS Thu May 15 18:15:26 2008 (482CC40E)
    f18e0000 f18f3680 ipnat ipnat.sys Thu Aug 29 03:36:12 2002 (3D6DDCFC)
    f191c000 f196ca80 srv srv.sys Fri Aug 17 20:32:06 2001 (3B7DC596)
    f1aad000 f1ad7280 mrxdav mrxdav.sys Fri Aug 17 15:50:20 2001 (3B7D838C)
    f1c40000 f1c55680 aswMon2 aswMon2.SYS Thu May 15 08:27:44 2008 (482C3A50)
    f1d1e000 f1d2e200 EAPPkt EAPPkt.sys Thu Mar 31 20:43:01 2005 (424CB535)
    f1e3b000 f1e3e000 ndisuio ndisuio.sys Thu Aug 29 03:35:40 2002 (3D6DDCDC)
    f5fff000 f6014380 dump_atapi dump_atapi.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:48 2002 (3D6DDB04)
    f6015000 f602c000 aswSP aswSP.SYS Thu May 15 18:20:30 2008 (482CC53E)
    f602c000 f608f800 mrxsmb mrxsmb.sys Thu Aug 29 03:59:51 2002 (3D6DE287)
    f6090000 f60b7e00 rdbss rdbss.sys Thu Aug 29 03:58:48 2002 (3D6DE248)
    f60b8000 f60d8380 afd afd.sys Thu Aug 29 04:01:13 2002 (3D6DE2D9)
    f6101000 f6127580 netbt netbt.sys Thu Aug 29 04:01:56 2002 (3D6DE304)
    f6128000 f6179480 tcpip tcpip.sys Thu Aug 29 03:58:10 2002 (3D6DE222)
    f61ae000 f61b0900 Dxapi Dxapi.sys Fri Aug 17 15:53:19 2001 (3B7D843F)
    f61b6000 f61ba000 watchdog watchdog.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:20 2002 (3D6DDC14)
    f71c2000 f71e3780 update update.sys Fri Aug 17 22:53:56 2001 (3B7DE6D4)
    f7284000 f7294200 psched psched.sys Thu Aug 29 03:35:54 2002 (3D6DDCEA)
    f7295000 f72aa600 ndiswan ndiswan.sys Thu Aug 29 03:58:38 2002 (3D6DE23E)
    f72ab000 f72bd900 parport parport.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:29 2002 (3D6DDAF1)
    f72d2000 f72d4f00 ws2ifsl ws2ifsl.sys Fri Aug 17 15:55:58 2001 (3B7D84DE)
    f72e6000 f7306c80 portcls portcls.sys Thu Aug 29 04:00:58 2002 (3D6DE2CA)
    f7307000 f7338b80 vinyl97 vinyl97.sys Sun Oct 08 23:58:46 2006 (4529D706)
    f7339000 f7359280 ks ks.sys Thu Aug 29 04:13:40 2002 (3D6DE5C4)
    f735a000 f737b180 USBPORT USBPORT.SYS Thu Aug 29 03:32:49 2002 (3D6DDC31)
    f737c000 f738d500 VIDEOPRT VIDEOPRT.SYS Thu Aug 29 03:32:03 2002 (3D6DDC03)
    f738e000 f73b8200 vtmini vtmini.sys Mon Mar 07 20:50:15 2005 (422D12E7)
    f73d9000 f73f2680 Mup Mup.sys Thu Aug 29 04:12:53 2002 (3D6DE595)
    f73f3000 f741be80 NDIS NDIS.sys Thu Aug 29 04:09:23 2002 (3D6DE4C3)
    f741c000 f74a5300 Ntfs Ntfs.sys Thu Aug 29 04:13:37 2002 (3D6DE5C1)
    f74a6000 f74b9780 KSecDD KSecDD.sys Fri Aug 17 15:50:01 2001 (3B7D8379)
    f74ba000 f74cae80 sr sr.sys Thu Aug 29 03:17:56 2002 (3D6DD8B4)
    f74cb000 f74e0380 atapi atapi.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:48 2002 (3D6DDB04)
    f74e1000 f74ff880 ftdisk ftdisk.sys Fri Aug 17 15:52:41 2001 (3B7D8419)
    f7500000 f752bc80 ACPI ACPI.sys Thu Aug 29 03:09:03 2002 (3D6DD69F)
    f754d000 f755c600 pci pci.sys Thu Aug 29 03:09:10 2002 (3D6DD6A6)
    f755d000 f7565c00 isapnp isapnp.sys Fri Aug 17 15:58:01 2001 (3B7D8559)
    f756d000 f7576280 MountMgr MountMgr.sys Fri Aug 17 15:47:36 2001 (3B7D82E8)
    f757d000 f7589000 VolSnap VolSnap.sys Fri Aug 17 15:53:19 2001 (3B7D843F)
    f758d000 f7595400 disk disk.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:56 2002 (3D6DDB0C)
    f759d000 f75a8500 CLASSPNP CLASSPNP.SYS Thu Aug 29 04:08:42 2002 (3D6DE49A)
    f75ad000 f75b7e80 uagp35 uagp35.sys Wed Aug 04 01:07:43 2004 (41107D2F)
    f75dd000 f75e8980 cdrom cdrom.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:55 2002 (3D6DDB0B)
    f75ed000 f75fad00 redbook redbook.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:45 2002 (3D6DDB01)
    f75fd000 f7606b80 imapi imapi.sys Thu Aug 29 03:28:05 2002 (3D6DDB15)
    f760d000 f761b200 drmk drmk.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:30 2002 (3D6DDC1E)
    f761d000 f7627a00 fetnd5bv fetnd5bv.sys Mon Feb 25 23:54:01 2008 (47C3A979)
    f762d000 f763c400 serial serial.sys Thu Aug 29 04:08:27 2002 (3D6DE48B)
    f763d000 f7649780 i8042prt i8042prt.sys Thu Aug 29 04:06:37 2002 (3D6DE41D)
    f764d000 f7658d00 rasl2tp rasl2tp.sys Thu Aug 29 04:06:36 2002 (3D6DE41C)
    f765d000 f7666800 raspppoe raspppoe.sys Fri Aug 17 15:55:33 2001 (3B7D84C5)
    f766d000 f7678500 raspptp raspptp.sys Thu Aug 29 04:12:46 2002 (3D6DE58E)
    f767d000 f7685400 msgpc msgpc.sys Fri Aug 17 15:54:19 2001 (3B7D847B)
    f768d000 f7696400 termdd termdd.sys Thu Aug 29 03:40:32 2002 (3D6DDE00)
    f769d000 f76a6480 NDProxy NDProxy.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:55:30 2001 (3B7D84C2)
    f76ad000 f76b9b00 usbhub usbhub.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:49 2002 (3D6DDC31)
    f76cd000 f76db280 ipsec ipsec.sys Thu Aug 29 04:07:19 2002 (3D6DE447)
    f76dd000 f76e5360 aswTdi aswTdi.SYS Thu May 15 18:14:09 2008 (482CC3C1)
    f76ed000 f76f5200 wanarp wanarp.sys Fri Aug 17 15:55:23 2001 (3B7D84BB)
    f76fd000 f7705180 netbios netbios.sys Thu Aug 29 03:35:45 2002 (3D6DDCE1)
    f770d000 f7715880 Fips Fips.SYS Fri Aug 17 20:31:49 2001 (3B7DC585)
    f773d000 f774b900 Cdfs Cdfs.SYS Thu Aug 29 03:58:50 2002 (3D6DE24A)
    f77cd000 f77d2c80 PCIIDEX PCIIDEX.SYS Thu Aug 29 03:27:47 2002 (3D6DDB03)
    f77d5000 f77d9900 PartMgr PartMgr.sys Fri Aug 17 20:32:23 2001 (3B7DC5A7)
    f77fd000 f7804f00 amdk7 amdk7.sys Thu Aug 29 03:05:05 2002 (3D6DD5B1)
    f780d000 f7811b80 usbuhci usbuhci.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:48 2002 (3D6DDC30)
    f781d000 f7821b80 usbehci usbehci.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:47 2002 (3D6DDC2F)
    f7835000 f783c000 fdc fdc.sys unavailable (00000000)
    f7845000 f784a600 mouclass mouclass.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:00 2002 (3D6DDAD4)
    f7855000 f785ab80 kbdclass kbdclass.sys Thu Aug 29 03:26:59 2002 (3D6DDAD3)
    f7865000 f7869580 ptilink ptilink.sys Fri Aug 17 15:49:53 2001 (3B7D8371)
    f7875000 f7879080 raspti raspti.sys Fri Aug 17 15:55:32 2001 (3B7D84C4)
    f788d000 f7891d00 flpydisk flpydisk.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:43 2002 (3D6DDAFF)
    f78ad000 f78b1d00 vga vga.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:03 2002 (3D6DDC03)
    f78bd000 f78c1680 Msfs Msfs.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:50:02 2001 (3B7D837A)
    f78cd000 f78d4380 Npfs Npfs.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:50:03 2001 (3B7D837B)
    f78f5000 f78f9a80 Aavmker4 Aavmker4.SYS Thu May 15 18:13:22 2008 (482CC392)
    f795d000 f7960000 BOOTVID BOOTVID.dll Fri Aug 17 15:49:09 2001 (3B7D8345)
    f79cd000 f79cf280 rasacd rasacd.sys Fri Aug 17 15:55:39 2001 (3B7D84CB)
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    f79f1000 f79f3680 gameenum gameenum.sys Thu Aug 29 03:32:42 2002 (3D6DDC2A)
    f79fd000 f79ff580 ndistapi ndistapi.sys Fri Aug 17 15:55:29 2001 (3B7D84C1)
    f7a0d000 f7a10f80 TDI TDI.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:57:25 2001 (3B7D8535)
    f7a15000 f7a18c80 mssmbios mssmbios.sys Wed Aug 04 01:07:47 2004 (41107D33)
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    f7a51000 f7a52300 viaide viaide.sys Thu Aug 29 03:27:48 2002 (3D6DDB04)
    f7a69000 f7a6a280 USBD USBD.SYS Fri Aug 17 16:02:58 2001 (3B7D8682)
    f7a6d000 f7a6ef00 Fs_Rec Fs_Rec.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:49:37 2001 (3B7D8361)
    f7a71000 f7a72080 Beep Beep.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:47:33 2001 (3B7D82E5)
    f7a75000 f7a76080 mnmdd mnmdd.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:57:28 2001 (3B7D8538)
    f7a79000 f7a7a080 RDPCDD RDPCDD.sys Fri Aug 17 15:46:56 2001 (3B7D82C0)
    f7a7f000 f7a80100 dump_WMILIB dump_WMILIB.SYS Fri Aug 17 16:07:23 2001 (3B7D878B)
    f7af5000 f7af6a80 ParVdm ParVdm.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:49:49 2001 (3B7D836D)
    f7b5b000 f7b5bd00 dxgthk dxgthk.sys Fri Aug 17 15:53:12 2001 (3B7D8438)
    f7b9f000 f7b9fc00 audstub audstub.sys Fri Aug 17 15:59:40 2001 (3B7D85BC)
    f7bab000 f7babf00 swenum swenum.sys Fri Aug 17 15:48:47 2001 (3B7D832F)
    f7bcb000 f7bcbb80 Null Null.SYS Fri Aug 17 15:47:39 2001 (3B7D82EB)

    Unloaded modules:
    f153b000 f1562000 kmixer.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f7b2f000 f7b30000 drmkaud.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f158a000 f15ad000 aec.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f1890000 f189d000 DMusic.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f17f8000 f1806000 swmidi.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f7ab5000 f7ab7000 splitter.sys
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f789d000 f78a2000 Cdaudio.SYS
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    f7a45000 f7a48000 Sfloppy.SYS
    Timestamp: unavailable (00000000)
    Checksum: 00000000
    Closing open log file c:\debuglog.txt
     

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