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Why The FBI's Request to Apple Will Affect Civil Rights for a Generation

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by lj50, 2016/02/22.

  1. 2016/02/22
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    lj50 SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member Thread Starter

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    Apple v/s FBI
     
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    SVEN

    SVEN Well-Known Member

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    I am with Apple on this one.
    Take it to the supreme Court
    Sven
     
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    MrBill

    MrBill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Problem with the SCOTUS is there is a bunch of jackasses on it now.
     
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    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I can't understand why Apple don't open the phone with an FBI observer and then leave it the FBI to examine the phone contents. On a one to one basis, how would it affect other iphone users? The phone owners are dead aren't they?
    Surely the nation/worlds security against terrorists is more important at this point in time.
     
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    Steve R Jones

    Steve R Jones SuperGeek Staff

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    Well, the rest of us that are live and reading this don't want to be next when the FBI thinks our phones have stuff on them that they could use to throw in jail.
     
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    MrBill

    MrBill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Got to agree 100% with that. You give them an inch and they will take a mile.
     
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    retiredlearner

    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I maybe naive in my old age - but any text messages I have on my phones wouldn't/couldn't be of any public secret.
    I would happily allow anyone to view my messages between family and business contacts. I'm happily living my humble life and rely on people I've elected to Govern our country to do all the worrying for me.:) Neil.
     
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    MrBill

    MrBill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I am the same way. I think that most or should I say the majority of people are this way. They would really find out what a dull life I lead. :D
     
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    SVEN

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    it is not the FBI I am worried about, but once the hack is out there, some one with fraud on his mind, will hack into your phone from afar and steal all your personal info and will open bank accounts in your name and get credit cards and put you in debt for a long time.

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    MrBill

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    Won't get none of that info from my or my family's phones.
    We use them as phones and not world shaking stuff.
     
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    MasterChief

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    If Apple can keep it secure up to now then they should be able to keep it under wraps even after they create and open the phones. If they took the proper steps it would be secure in the end. They do not trust their own people. The law takes certain rights away from convicted felons anyway. The only real security question is to bank records and passwords. Nobody gives a crud about his recipes even his passwords.
     
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    James Martin

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    IMO, a phone is an instrument one uses to make voice contact with someone else. We have one cell-phone (a "flip" type), which is only switched on either when we're both away from the house and want to call someone, or if one of us has gone somewhere and may need to be called by the one still at home. One advantage of that type of phone is much clearer outgoing calls, since the microphone is in front of your mouth!

    It has a built-in camera which we've never used, except by accidentally pushing the wrong button. I have several pictures of my shoes! Our adult children and grandchildren all have smart phones, but I doubt we'll ever bother, unless "regular" phones disappear before our old clunker goes Tango Uniform.
     
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    retiredlearner

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    I don't think it's a huge problem if this phone is 'hacked' by Apple with the FBI in attendance. It would surely be a "one off" for National Security.
    Millions and millions of cellphone users throughout the world would not have any info on their phone logs that would be of concern to anyone.
    'Sexting' on phones and 'bullying' and porno etc. can already be accessed by the appropriate authorities as has been reported by the Media daily. Neil.
     
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    TonyT

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    The FBI does not want the data and metadata that is on the phone. They already have all of the metadata, or at least the NSA does.

    They want Apple to build a new mobile operating system with a backdoor in it, at Apple's own expense too.

    While Apple could easily afford to do that, and while they could easily build in a backdoor, they are right to choose not to do it.

    Don't think for a moment that the FBI has not had its own tech personnel actively trying to crack the existing iPhone encryption. They have realized that it would be faster to have Apple's guys do it for them. But by the time this mess comes to an end, all will be moot because some govt project will have already cracked it.

    Once a backdoor is built into an operating system it will take only a very short time until the operating system gets reverse engineered and the backdoor exposed and cracked wide open by hacktivists, hackers and criminals.

    There is NO SUCH THING as 100% security.

    The FBI wants Apple to do this so as to be able to make their investigations easier in the future; at our expense.

    While terrorism is a real threat, it need not be circumvented by removing our liberties.
     
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