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"Unmovable" files really fragmented

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Chris,

    You´ve lost me here! Unmovable files actually got moved? This indicates to me that the Win98 defragger may be erratic in deciding what is unmovable.

    Not that I know of.

    Defragging is done from within Windows. This means that a lot of files are opened and in use. These files can not be moved.

    Christer
     
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    Yeh, somthing weired is going on. I just ran defrag and went to pcpitstop. It said I have 16% file fragmentaion, run defrag as soon as possible. Any suggestions on what to do?
    Last night when I went to pcpitstop it told me I had 100% procressor use also.
     

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    Been tring to figure out how my unmoveable files could of moved to the end. After thinking, maybe when I put a larger size on the swap it couldn't put it where it was before, so it had to put it together at the end? That's all I can figure for now. At first I never realized the unmovable files where moved, good heads up for realizing.

    I replaced the old win 98 drfrag with a new win me.

    I WONDER WHY AFTER DEFRAGING, PCPITSTOP SAYS I HAVE 16% FILE FRAGMENTED? When running drfrag I view it. It sure shows the files NOT fragmented.
     
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    The 100% processor thing makes me think in terms of SpyWare. Those are small applications who tell on You to whom ever planted them on Your system.

    Download, install and run in this order:

    SpybotSD

    Ad-aware

    Before doing that, in Internet Explorer, clear all Temporary Internet Files including Offline stuff, Cookies and History. This makes it easier for You to identify what the other two will find.

    Christer
     
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    Allready have both. Both say no spyware. I used spider a couple years a go on another computer. AFTER the files where "DELETED" I would go back in and they would still be there.
    I downloaded it on this mahcine, will post back if it really works. Chris.
     
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    Yes, they are recreated but empty and at the minimum size. They get something like 16 or 32 kB in one fragment instead of much larger and in several fragments.
    They contain browsing information, much like the TIF folder or other information depending on which index.dat it is.
    The difference is that they never get emptied and when they grow, they grow one cluster at a time spreading all over the place (disk).

    Christer
     
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    I was talking about the information inside the files. I just ran spider. It asked if I would like to restart to delete the contents of indax.dat files. When I did, boy I had problems. Got fatal exception errors, screen went blank, froze, had to restart 4 times to finally get up.

    Boy, Bill and friends sure don't like to have the indax.dat messed with :) :)
     
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    Another thing, I am useing ie6. When spider runs eveything says ie5. Does that mean my ie6 records are not being "deleted "?

    A little more on what i was talking about. If you run spider, supposedly it detes the hidden information IN the indax.dat files. It says to restart to "Delete' the contents of indax.dat."

    When I reboot, I check the contents of indax.dat and all the contents are still there.
     
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    Woow, never heard of that happening before. I´m glad that You´re up and running!

    Which version did You use? 1.04 or 1.16?

    Did You follow Bruce´s Tutorial ?

    I´ve only used 1.16 on WinME and it went well.

    I have yet to use it on WinXP.

    I currently have twenty different index.dat files. Most of them are 16 or 32 kB in size but the one in my Cookies folder and one other are 80 kB.

    No-one has grown to the MB size as the one in my TIF folder did when I was on WinME so I think that I´ll put Spider on hold for a while longer.

    With Your recent experience in mind ...... :eek: ...... when I decide to use it, I´ll clean the harddisk the usual way and create a Ghost Image before running Spider.

    Christer
     
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    Any ideas on why my hard drive looks very drfraged, but pcpitstop analized it and said 16% fragmented?

    I downloaded the latest version, 1.16. I was just going by; After I run spider, if I go right back and do it again, it finds a huge list again. If it deleted the contents of indax.dat, it should be only very few things right afterwards.

    Do you know if it is only looking at ie5 and not 6?
     
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    Chris,

    Spider lists each index.dat file not every single index.dat fragment.
    Prior to running Spider, each index.dat file might be large and in several fragments.
    After runnig Spider, each index.dat file is recreated at its minimum size in a unfragmented state.

    I think that´s cosmetic, I have only ever used it with IE6 and it works fine.

    Christer
     
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    How do you get rid of the spider log file?
     
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    It will be located in the same folder as Spider.exe - just delete it.

    I seem to remember that it can be set to not create a logfile but I´m not sure.

    Christer
     
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    Chris

    Swapfile:
    Pop over to here for an above average read on optimising your swapfile.

    My swapfile usage is nil pretty much day in day out so I've relegated it from C: to D: and is semi-permanent ie with a min which is unlikely to be breached but with a max, and therefore dynamic, if ever it is. The permanent part used to reside on the edge of the disk but now it has been moved my frequently used files are now at the fastest access position.

    Index.dat:

    I zap all mine on each and every boot with the following.

    cleanint.bat

    @echo off
    for %%n in (h:\cookies h:\history h:\tempor~1) do deltree /y %%n\*.*
    cls

    run via a shortcut to

    cleanint.reg

    REGEDIT4

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce]
    "CleanUp "= "e:\\batch\\cleanint.bat "

    in the startup folder and editing the target to

    C:\WINDOWS\REGEDIT.EXE /s E:\RegFiles\cleanint.reg

    This convoluted method is because H: is a Ram disk created after autoexec.bat and the index.dat files cannot be deleted after the All Users RunOnce key in the boot process.

    I prefer RunOnce over RunServices.

    In your case you could put the central line of cleanint.bat into autoexec.bat.
     
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    Thanks for the link and info. Double thanks for the link. I really, really injoyed reading it. Good informaion. Thanks, Chris.
     
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    I think I got it figured out now, thanks to the link. I had it set way, way, way to huge. Windows had no choise but to put it at the end. I set it to a more reasonable size and the unmoveable files are now closer to the front.
    Unfortunately, the links on the link page posted are out of date. Can't get a free trail version to get the swap at the front of the disc.
     
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    VoptXP has a 30 day trial and has the same feature as the broken link. Don't be put off by the XP ref - it works on Win98.

    Good luck.
     
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    Chris

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    Thanks for the VoptXP site. How does ths compair to other disc optamizers? After I set the swap to the first part of the drive, pcpitstop reported 13% fragmented again. They must count the swap at the front, optamized as fragmented.
    I might keep VoptXP if it's a good one. Sure takes foever to do it's job. I've never seen a slower program

    gammaepsilon, do you use VoptXP, or just the free 30 day one? Have you ever compaired it to others like it? How does it rate? Thaks, Chris.
     
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    I used VoptXP's predecessor for a while.

    I use Norton's SpeedDisk. With SpeedDisk we can place frequently modified and frquently accessed files in predefined areas on the disk. I even have the registry placed where it works best for me.

    If you posted a question here on which is best you'd end up with one of the longest threads of the year. Everyone and his wife will say the one they use is the best.

    All I can say is that I have tried every defrag on the planet, and there are some real dogs out there, but kept going back to Norton's SpeedDisk.

    The defrag which comes with WinME is a major leap over the Win98 defrag. For a while it was freely available at many sites but MS stepped in and started to 'lean' on them. Having put your swap file at the edge of the disk it will stay there whichever defrag you use now. % defrags depend upon the algorithm used so it is not unusual for two different algorithms to report different levels.

    WinME defrag is still available here but I'm not getting a response from their server at the moment (first time I've had that). If its down for a while start a fresh thread and ask for alternative sites - the boys and girls here will come up with a few.

    David
     
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    Chris

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    Thanks, I allready have the ME Defrag. I made the swich a week or so a go.

    One thing that's been going on latly is when I click on get mail, the box comes up, nothing happends. After about 5 to 15 seconds the status bar starts and it goes quick (DSL). When I click on a web site, nothing happends for 5 to 50 seconds. Then the webpage loads just as fast as it usally does. When I set my Vmemory to let windows manage, it doesn't do it (I thought it didn't at all, but after a few hours it starts). If I set my own size, it does it right form the start. Makes me mad since my download speed is close to what it's supoised to be, but it takes as long as a dial up with the pause before it starts. This just stated a week or two a go. Checked for viruses, spyware, etc... Any ideas? Have you ever heard of the pause before? Thaks again.

    P.S. Does your VoptXP take forever to do a job?
     
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