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Resolved Problems with booting into Windows 7

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by skaler2k, 2016/02/20.

  1. 2016/04/03
    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Click Start< Control Panel< Uninstall a program and remove the following items:

    Adobe AIR
    CyberLink PowerDVD
    ESU for Microsoft Windows 7 SP1
    HP Customer Experience Enhancements
    HP Support Solutions Framework
    Java 8 Update 73
    Java Auto Updater
    Microsoft Silverlight
    Photo Common
    VLC media player
    Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor
    Windows Live Communications Platform
    Windows Live Essentials
    Windows Live ID Sign-in Assistant
    Windows Live Installer
    Windows Live Mail
    Windows Live MIME IFilter
    Windows Live Photo Common
    Windows Live PIMT Platform
    Windows Live SOXE
    Windows Live SOXE Definitions
    Windows Live UX Platform
    Windows Live UX Platform Language Pack
    Windows Live Writer
    Windows Live Writer Resources
    Wise Care 365 4.11

    Once that is done download JavaRa to your desktop and unzip it.

    • Run JavaRa.exe by right clicking on JavaRa.exe, and clicking Run as administrator, pick the language of your choice and click Select. Then click Remove Older Versions.
    • Accept any prompts.
    • Do NOT post JavaRa log.

    Reboot the computer after JavaRa completes.

    Then in Autoruns on the Logon Tab, remove the following items:

    HotKeysCommands
    IgfxTray
    Persistance
    Synaptics Touchpad Enhancements
    IDT PC Audio
    Windows Mail (Both Entries)
    Google Chrome

    Reboot the computer after following those steps and let me know how the computer is running now.
     
  2. 2016/04/04
    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Evan,
    I assume you meant for me to go to control panel>Programs and their Features. I uninstalled all I could find, but didn't see Photo Common, and none of the Windows LIVE components were listed.
    I downloaded JavaRa 2.6, which had a remark next to it that stated "you probably want this one ". The download below that was JavaRa Legacy version 1.16 and it was for Windows 9x all the way to 7.
    When I executed 2.6 as administrator, I got a small rectangle with 4 colored icons that read: Update Java Runtime, Remove Java Runtime, Update JavaRa Definitions, and Additional Tasks. There was no language selection option, nor remove older versions. So, I didn't do anything except exit the program
    I will next uncheck the 7 items in the Autoruns and reboot.
    I'll let you know how the laptop is acting while I wait for your response about JavaRa.
    Thanks.
     

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  4. 2016/04/04
    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Sadly, there is still the 65 to 70 second freeze between the appearance of the Welcome screen and the appearance of the desktop. Happily, the sound still coincides with the desktop screen's appearance.
    BTW, the welcome screen now reads "Preparing Your Desktop" but that was the case since I ran one of the programs early in the Optimization steps.
    Also, in the autoruns logon tab, there is an item that has a checkmark that I'm sure wasn't there before. It is called rdpclip, has a yellow background, is blank under description, publisher, timestamp. Under image path, it says "file not found:rdclip ". I unchecked it, then rebooted, but still got the 70 second delay.
     
  5. 2016/04/04
    Evan Omo

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    For the JavaRa program just select the Remove Java Runtime option and follow the instructions.

    As for still getting the delay on startup, I would go through my entire guide and follow steps 1-15 and see if those steps help with removing the delay. I have a feeling that running Check Disk on the hard drive might solve the problem so I would go that route and see if there is any change in the computers behavior.
     
  6. 2016/04/07
    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Evan,
    I ran chkdsk separately. Didn't find any problems.
    I then ran through the 15 steps of your repair sequence. No change.
    I did notice somewhere early on that it suggests doing the repair several times.
    I plan to rerun the 15 steps in a few minutes.
    I'd like to remind you that this laptop came to me with Windows 10, installed by someone who I'm sure made no preparations. I reverted it back to 7 Home premium 64 bit. I wonder if that has any bearing on the start-up sequence.
    Also, the laptop suffered a spill of some sticky yellowish brown liquid, and has a couple of scratches and dings in the corners. I managed to clean up the sticky stuff, especially around the ZIF socket. It was this spill that caused the keyboard malfunction. I purchased a new keyboard. Replacing it was relatively easy, but I wonder if I should have gone further and looked under the keyboard platform to see if there are more sticky/hard areas of spill.
    The laptop, except for that 65 second delay acts just as you'd expect a Core i7with 8 gigs and a dedicated video card to act-that is-pretty quick and responsive, so, I'm hoping that what I saw of the spill is the bulk of it.
    I did look ahead to the steps after #15, and saw that some of the repair options require a username and password. I don't have those. I also don't have the recovery disks.
    I appreciate you sticking with me, and look forward to the next recommendations.
    The laptop was left in sleep mode overnight. When I tapped the touchpad, it quickly came up with the locked screen. Clicking the center icon gave me an immediate chime, the word welcome appeared, and the animated donut/circle froze for it's customary 65 seconds.
    If I return to the laptop (after having put it into sleep mode) in less than 10 or 15 minutes(not sure), it pops up with the desktop screen immediately.
     
  7. 2016/04/07
    Evan Omo

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    Where did you get this message exactly? You followed my optimization guide and not the repair Windows guide, correct?

    Did you run Check Disk by following the instructions that I outlined in step #14 and rebooting the computer?

    None of the steps require a username or a password. It sounds like you are following the repair guide instead.
     
  8. 2016/04/07
    skaler2k

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    Just finished the second run through the repair routine. Again, no change.
    I did notice that during some of the repairs, there were some error statements that scrolled by. They were too quick for me to read, and I probably wouldn't comprehend them anyway.
    I also noticed that during the reboots in safe mode, there was no hesitation or delay.
    Is there any point in my sending you the LOG folder? It contains today's and yesterday's subfolders which, in turn contain the error logs.
    Today's folder is 252Kb while yesterday's is 326Kb.
    I don't know if this indicates progress.
     
  9. 2016/04/07
    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Evan,
    You are correct. As I had previously run through the Optimization steps with no fix, I just assumed that what you meant by "my entire guide" was the repair routine.
    I will run the Optimization routine again.
     
  10. 2016/04/07
    Evan Omo

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    Oh, you didn't have to run through the repair guide as your system has not being showing signs of certain Windows functions not working properly but there is no harm in following the repair guide anyway.

    Once you finish following the rest of the steps in the optimization guide let me know and we will go from there.
     
  11. 2016/04/07
    skaler2k

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    By rest of the optimization guide, do you mean steps 29 and subsequent?
    I had previously done 1 through 28.
    Or, should I restart the whole thing and go from step 1 through 27, as 28 and the last few are listed as optional?
     
  12. 2016/04/08
    Evan Omo

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    Just follow steps 1-15 and after finishing those steps let me know if there is any improvement in how the computer functions.
     
  13. 2016/04/09
    skaler2k

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    Well, 1-15 are completed with no change in the delay time.
    I did notice that at the end of step 9, when a reboot is required, the messages displayed were similar to the ones you get when you do a Windows update: "Configuring updates, do not turn off the computer... "
    When the next few messages were displayed, including "Welcome" and Configuring your desktop, there was NO hesitation. I then turned off the computer, and hoped that the problem was solved. Rebooted, but, the 65 second pause reappeared.
     
  14. 2016/04/09
    Evan Omo

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    skaler2k

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    It starts fine in the clean boot mode. That is, no delay.
    Ever since my first run through the Optimization procedure, the computer now goes from the STARTING WINDOWS black screen with the 4 color flag, to Please Wait for the Local Session Mgr to Please wait for User Profile Setup to Welcome to Preparing your desktop. Then, finally, the desktop screen appears.
    Before the optimization procedure, it just went from the Black Starting Windows screen to Welcome to the desktop.
    The animated circle used to freeze next to the word Welcome.
    Now it freezes next to Preparing your desktop.
    I have no problem with that as long as you can tell me that this is expected.
    Did I mention that there is also no delay whenever I start the computer in Safe Mode?
     
  16. 2016/04/09
    Evan Omo

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    That is normal behavior with the changes in the boot up messages after following my guide.

    Since there is now no boot up delay when the computer is in a clean boot state, you need to enable only half the startup items and services that you previously disabled and then reboot the computer and test the issue again. Then if the issue doesn't crop up again, keep re-enabling each startup program and service one at a time while rebooting in between until you find the culprit that is causing the problem.
     
  17. 2016/04/09
    skaler2k

    skaler2k Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Well Evan, I'm embarrassed to say that I evidently don't know what I'm doing.
    I went back into msconfig to see which services were still running.
    When I exited and rebooted, I was unable to get the laptop to boot beyond the starting windows>black screen with only the arrow cursor on the screen. I gave it 5 minutes or so, and nothing progressed. I shut the laptop down with the power button. I was subsequently unable to get beyond the black screen with the arrow no matter whether I chose safe mode with and without networking, command prompt.
    I finally succeeded with the F8 key and chose boot to the last known good configuration.
    I again went to msconfig and saw that of the 156 services listed, 153 had been disabled(by me) this afternoon. 19 of those in response to your 14:06 posting which resulted in me getting the first uninterrupted boot, the other 134 at 5:39 pm.
    As of right now, there are 59 services running, 94 are stopped, and only 3 have not been disabled: Avast antivirus, Base Filtering Engine, and Task Scheduler.
    So, I have no understanding of how a service can be disabled yet still be running.
    Can you give me directions, and pretend you're speaking to an absolute novice?
     
  18. 2016/04/10
    Evan Omo

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    In the System Configuration Utility on the Services Tab, make sure the Hide all Microsoft services box is checked. Then just focus on re-enabling those 3rd party services as one of those services or a startup item is causing a delay.

    Do NOT disable any of the Microsoft services using the System Configuration Utility which I think you may have done by mistake.

    Your Services tab should look similar to this screenshot but you will have different 3rd party services depending on what programs you have installed, http://imgur.com/KCvSnD1.

    So you need to re-enable each of the 3rd party services on the Services tab and you need to re-enable each entry on the Startup tab and figure out which process is causing this delay.
     
  19. 2016/04/10
    skaler2k

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    I'm finally out of the woods, Evan. I narrowed it down to a service called AMD EXTERNAL EVENTS Utility. I re-enabled all of the other services and no longer get the 65 second delay upon startup.
    The computer does seem to take a little extra time to execute various programs, but at this point, I think I can live with that.
    Thank you so much for your patience and help.
    I will mark this thread as resolved.
    Kindest regards.
     
  20. 2016/04/10
    Evan Omo

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    Ok, that's great to hear. In the System Configuration Utility set the Startup selection to Normal startup and click on Ok to close the window. Then click Start< Administrative tools< Services to open the Services window. Locate the AMD External Events Utility, double click on it, and set the startup type to Disabled and reboot the computer if you haven't already done so.
     
  21. 2016/04/10
    skaler2k

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    Thanks Evan. I would have left the Startup in selective-not knowing any better, not to mention disabling the AMD Utility.
     

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