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Partitioning a 500GB HD?

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by chas berlin, 2008/06/28.

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    chas berlin

    chas berlin Inactive Thread Starter

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    I meant on a separate partition, since they will need reinstalling anyway.

    So at install set up one partition for OS, then later add partitions as necessary?
    And more partitions can be added at any time?


    On this (Vista) computer, it shows 3 partitions (set up at factory by Gateway):
    C: (NTFS)
    F: (FAT)
    Recovery D: (NTFS)

    Can you explain:
    Why F is FAT rather than NTFS?
    The D: portion, I expect, is factory backup as oppose to actual data backup?
     
  2. 2008/07/02
    PeteC

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    Yes
    Yes, provided that there is unallocated space remaining on the drive in which case the method I described using Disk Management holds.

    If at some time in the future you want to resize existing partitions this cannot be done through Windows and requires the use of third party software such as Acronis Disk Director or Partition Magic.

    F:\ is likely to be another Service Partition - may contain diagnostics - these are often FAT, why I don't know. No doubt Gateway have their reasons. What is in it?

    D:\ is the Recovery partition for the OS - again I have no idea how Gateway set up their computers - I build my own although I do have an HP Vista Business box which I bought to evaluate Vista (could not have built one as cheaply), but rarely use. On that all 3 factory made partitions - the main OS, Recovery and Tools partitions are NTFS. Gateway clearly do things differently.

    As a footnote I have visited California and the South western USA on 7 occasions (1996 - 2001) for the purposes of photography - I am a landscape photographer. The nearest I got to your location was SF from where we travelled down Highway 1 by the Big Sur to St Luis Obispo before heading across to Death Valley, Yosemite etc. Family problems then intervened, but I am returning to the States this September - Colorado Rockies - again purely for photography.

    See my website if you are interested :) Left click on PeteC to the left of my posts and on Visit PeteC's Homepage. Enjoy :)
     

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  4. 2008/07/02
    chas berlin

    chas berlin Inactive Thread Starter

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    When I format & partition, how do I save/make unallocated space?


    Strangely enough My Photos is there. Go figure!

    You've been to my two favourite spots in Calif. Yosemite and Big Sur (actually 10 miles south of Big Sur - Julia Pheiffer State Park). You drove past there on your way down to San Louis Obisbo. Do you recognise this beach?
    http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=578
    http://www.pelicannetwork.net/jpb.statepark.htm

    Dang your stuff is nice! A lot of time in Photoshop?
    I may never pick up a camera again.
    I've been to Canyonlands and your shot makes mine look like they were taken by some kid. :eek:
     
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    PeteC

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    When you first format a drive the whole lot, bar a little for the file system is Unallocated Space - During the install procedure you create a partition for the operating system as I described - if you choose to make a partition smaller than the max space available the unused space is seen as Unallocared in Disk Management. So no action is required on your part to make/save unallocated space when you are starting out on a clean drive.
    Oh Yes :( 1996 - after a day of mist - usual for the Big Sur I'm told, the sun finally appeared there. Have a number of colour slides packed away somewhere, but no mono's - not a really suitable subject.
    The majority of the images on my site are scans from wet darkroom prints - some of the later ones are digital, scanned from slides or mono negs - a few are from digital capture. This upcoming trip will be the first on which I have taken my digital SLRs to the USA.

    Don't do your pictures down, I take hundreds of record shots too, but also seek high quality shots for exhibiting in Salons all over the world. The shot of Mesa Arch in Canyonlands was taken at around 5 am as the sun rose.
     
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    chas berlin

    chas berlin Inactive Thread Starter

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    Now I know the problem.
    I'm always asleep at 5a.m. :rolleyes:
     
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    chas berlin

    chas berlin Inactive Thread Starter

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    Pete, Thx for all your help on this.
    I'm waiting on the drive and then I'll be working on this.

    You know any reason why a typical install of XP Pro (SP2) would be missing several files including defrag? This happened when I loaded it, from my orig CD the other day.
     
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    Can only think that the disk is maybe dirty or damaged, but if that is the case surprised that the OS loaded at all.

    You are looking under - right click drive in Windows Explorer > Properties > Tools?
     
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    chas berlin

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    Pete, there is no Windows Explorer!
    Never seen this before.
    It's not an issue right now, but when the new drive arrives I'm concerned about how that install will go, since it was a fairly automated install and no changes have been made to the CD (well duh!) :D :D
     
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    Chas

    Please confirm ....

    Start > Programs > Accessories > Windows Explorer - yes or no?

    Start > Run > type in explorer.exe > Enter - result??
     
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    chas berlin

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    No.

    Yes.

    Somehow it's not linked to the menu.
    As is the same w/ Defrag, and several others.
     
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    Another thought-
    Where can I find a list of program commands so I can access them through Run?

    As a side note I just got off the phone w/ Seagate, who, through a comedy of errors sent out the wrong drive, and they are sending me a 750GB drive to replace my dead paperweight. :)
     
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    Normally this would be unacceptable, but I'll have the new drive Tuesday, at which time this drive will be a paperweight, so it's just for a few more days. :)
     
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    chas berlin

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    And BTW, I ran the XP repair to no avail! Go figure! :confused:
     
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    Pete, After looking over your attachments (this thread) I'd like your specific suggestions for partitioning the new drive.
    From memory I have:
    Data; music, photos, docs
    Programs; photo viewer/editor(s), iTunes, Nero, Word/Office, assort drivers & such

    Thx
     
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    chas berlin

    chas berlin Inactive Thread Starter

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    Would give me some deatil here?


    I don't use Photoshop, just a basic viewer/editor, so is this bit about the Scratch disc and pagefile relevant for my application(s). If so, would you pls explain, as I'm unfamiliar w/ these terms.


    Any difference between the two?
     
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    I have not forgotten you - busy on other matters at present.
     
  19. 2008/07/05
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    I've heard a lot about using several drives, w/ and w/out partitions. Would you tell me what your configuration is? When I looked at your attachment, I couldn't tell how many physical drives you are using.
    Thx!
     
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    PeteC

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    What further detail do you want?
    Photoshop uses it's own pagefile (virtual memory) and does not make use of the Windows pagefile.. As installed Windows manages the size of the page file which expands and contracts between set limits according to the demands made on it. This can lead to fragmentation of the pagefile - it is better IMO to make use of a fixed size pagefile which remains contiguous and does not get scattered around the drive. The standard fixed size is 1.5x installed RAM although it is unlikely that Windows will ever use that much especially if there is a decent amount of RAM installed (512 MB absolute minimum, 1 Gb preferred, or more depending on the apps installed); however with a large drive space should not be at a premium. The Photoshop aspect is irrelevant if you don't use the program.
    Operationally not really - it's no more secure if the drive suffers a failure. In terms of ease of use I think so, but each to his/her own. I find it far easier to switch to another drive in Explorer than scroll through a whole list of folders - and I must have several thousand on my computer.
    I can only give you a general recommendation - only you know how much data you have and the rate at which specific data is likely to increase in the future. You now have a much larger drive - 750 Gb vs 500 Gb

    OS Partition 30 Gb
    Music, Photos, Data, Docs - 3 > 4 x the current size of your current data with no partition less than 50 Gb

    The above uses <1/3 of the drive space - I would make an additional spare partition of, say 50 Gb and leave the rest of the drive as Unallocated Space and available for the creation of more partitions on the future using Windows to create. If you partition the whole drive and later want to change the partition sizes or merge two partitions or split a partition into 2 you will need third party software. It is possible in Windows by deleting and remaking partitions, but they need to be empty to avoid data loss. Third party software can resize/split partitions containng data without data loss, although a backup of the data is always recommended before working on the partitions.

    Don't get paranoid about partitioning the drive - assess the opinions expressed, make your own decisions and if they turn out to be less than optimum put it down to experience - it's all part of the learning curve. There is no one solution to suit everyone - it's your specific requirements that you need to analyse.

    Bottom line - partition size is up to you based on your perceived usage and rate of accumulation of data. What looks oversize today may well be getting cramped next year.
     
  21. 2008/07/06
    chas berlin

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    W/out Photoshop, or some program like it, can I still make use of fixed pagefiles? What you've said convinces me that whenever possible it would be beneficial. My sys has 3 GB RAM.

    Perfect Pete, this answers my other question, though I wasn't able to formulate it clearly. :eek:

    My other (now defunct) drive was only 200 GB, so this a HUGE change for me.
    I can't imagine ever filling it, but then we all used to use drives that were rated in MB's! :eek:
    What do you think of say a 300 GB & 200 GB (music & photos), and 50 GB for programs? Word is my largest, and then probably Nero.
    Previously I had 165 GB's or so of data, including programs. I think I have roughly 60 GB's of music, and less than that of photos.
    Side note: You've just about got me sold on an external for backups, need to check cost.

    Since I've never gone this route before I'm really unsure of how to go, and your input is REALLY APPRECIATED!
     

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