Network setup seemed too simple

NetDoc, thanks for the info on the speed. I kind of thought it might be that the Win98 machine is older and has a much slower processing speed.

But, I since I was not able to find anything on ICS to uncheck, do you think I have done about all I can do? Am I supposed to have the UPnP icons showing or hidden. It says that if the icons are showing, then it shows any devices (such as the router) that are connected and opens the Windows Firewall ports to allow them to be shared. Does that mean shared by other computers connected to the router or shared by anyone on the Internet? I'm sorry to have to keep asking all these questions. As you can tell, I don't know anything about networking and have been perfectly happy to work on my own PC and not bother with anything else. Thanks for your help.

 

I have been looking all over the Microsoft support site to find out how to turn off/disable ICS. Everything I find talks about this in connection with the Windows Firewall. Does this mean that I have to turn off the firewall in order to turn off ICS, or are they separate? I found something under Administrative Tools, Services, that is called Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing. If I disable this, then does that mean I have to use a third party firewall?

 

Here is a link to explain how to manually set up ICS. Just uncheck the box to allow sharing. If it is not present then probably ICS is not enabled.

Try here

DRD

 

When I right click on the LAN connection and look at properties, on the advanced tab the only thing that is there is the Windows Firewall. On the dial up connections, the properties show the option to enable ICS. However, according to the article that you referenced, it says the following:

And that is exactly what my LAN connection shows as the IP address and the subnet mask.

If this got set up somehow during the Network Setup Wizard, is there a way for me to just delete everything and start over?

 

The 192.168.1.1 is the default Gateway of the Router.

Each machine should have an address starting with 192.168.1.100. I forget how high they really go but I think it is 192.168.1.148.

If you open Internet options.
Click on the Connections tab.
Select the LAN settings. That should be set on auto obtain address.

This needs to be done on each machine.

I do not know about the D-Link Router. But I have a setup program for my Linksys. When I go to it I can select Status-Local Network - Client Table and I see ( right now anyway ) as all machines are on.

Printer 192.168.1.100 which in normally left on at all times so others can use it without any one certain machine needing to be on.
Bob 192.168.1.101 ( My Machine )
Nancy 192.168.1.102. ( My Wifes machine )
Rip 192.168.1.103 ( 3rd machine that the kids use )

That also shows the order that the machines were turned on.

They usually stay at those addresses. But if the Router happens to get shut down then they will be rearranged according to the order the machines are turned on. I have had Rip as low as 192.168.1.100. I forgot to turn Printer on )

alc

You keep mentioning Network Setup Wizard. I have to be honest here and say " I have NO IDEA what that is all about. " And I never needed it as I have everything set on Auto.

I just plugged things in. Checked the setting I mentioned above and it was GO from the start.

If I wish to connect another machine to the Internet all I need to do is make sure machine has a name and the LAN setting is on auto.

Question.
Do you have a builtin NIC or is a plugin card. For the settings I refer to I don not think it makes any difference.

BillyBob

 

LOL - believe me, BillyBob, I wish I had never heard of it either. If you go to My Network Places, in the left frame under Network Tasks, mine has something called "Set up a home or office network ". If you click on that, it will bring up the Network Setup Wizard, which walks you through setting up the connection and whether you want to do file or print sharing. Unfortunately, I did that because those were the instructions on the Verizon Help page when I went to "How to add other computers to your new FIOS service ". Little did I know it was going to open this giant can of worms.

My LAN settings are set to Auto Detect. My question now is whether I have to disable the Windows Firewall in order to disable the ICS. Since, I cannot find any option to disable the ICS anywhere by itself, I don't know what else to do to ensure that there is no internet connection sharing going on anywhere. I hope I am not being too obtuse here, but I don't seem to have the option that NetDoc is talking about.

The only other place I have found anything regarding ICS is under the Administrative Tools, Services, and there is something called Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing. But it is all tied in together - not separate option to disable ICS.

If someone could just answer this one last question about turning off the ICS and the firewall, I will leave everyone in peace - LOL. Thanks again for all your help.

 

Ah! You have a dialup connection configured. That is the one that would be sharedduring setup. here is what I would do:

1) Win 98SE - nothing. It will work as is.

2) XP - change the LAN TCP/IP settings to "Obtain an IP Address automatically ". Also, make sure that ICS is not enabled on the dialup connection.

Leave all firewalls in place.

Test both PCs for Internet access.

Everything should work like this.

DRD

P.S. I may have missed it, but I don't recall seeing any reference to a dialup connection earlier. I should have thought to ask but it serves as an example of how important it is to provide all information.

 

First of all, I apologize for not saying anything about the dial up connections. I had no idea they would affect anything in the discussion.

OK, I think I've got it. I had already unchecked the ICS on the dial up connections, but since I couldn't find anything on the LAN, I thought I was missing something. Anyway, I have now cancelled the dial up services, so I have deleted them from the machine. Now all I have is the LAN and two firewire connections showing up.

The LAN's settings are set to "Obtain an IP Address automatically ".

Both machines seem to be able to connect to the Internet. Thank you to everyone for their help. You are very knowledgeable and patient.

 

Glad to help. Now you are an "expert" and all your friends will be calling on you to fix their network.

DRD

 

I am very glad to read that things are now working as they should be.

I myself never even gave a thought to Dial-up as it was WAY-WAY back in the days of 95 that I had Dial-up.

But it reads like you can now sit back, relax a bit, and ENJOY your new setup.

I can say one thing for sure. It is very nice to be able to get more than one machine online and even a different place at the same time.

Something to think about in the future. It is nice to have the Printer on the LAN ( actually plugged into the Router ) and no longer needs one certain machine to be on at all times.

BillyBob

 

Oh no!! here we go again. LOL

This can be done with an existing printer using a print server. There are also printers that plug directly into the network.

DRD

 

Is that a separate piece of hardware or is it set on up on a machine ?

That is the kind I have plugged right into the Switch/Router. ( HP5850 ) and it sure is great to have. The Niecies, Nephews and Grandkids can use it without my machine having to be on.

I had ( actually still do have ) an HP 5550. But it will only work from this machine.

BillyBob

 

HP 5850 is a "network printer ". It already has a network card built-in and can just plug directly into the network.

A print server is about the size of a 4-port router and has USB and/or Parallel ports for connecting the printer and wired and/or wireless ports for connecting to the network.

FYI, we just scrapped a new Linksys Print Server and purchased a D-Link to replace it.

DRD

 

FYI. My HP 5550 USB printer does not work with the power turned off. I do test it once in awhile to make sure it still works properly.

I know that I had a lot of problems like alc when I first setup ( or tried to ) my LAN. But once I got it done ( PROPERLY ) it was well worth the trouble.

My Wife and I have MANY network games which behave much better than when we used SHARING. About 1 out of every 10 Cribbage games I beat my Wife. I think the game SORRY gets the most use.

We do play Golf quite often. It is about a 50/50 win there.

Links 2003 is also the game we play once a week with a Friend in Canada. But just like Real Life Golf, who wins depends on who makes the best shots.

But the BIGGEST advantage I find by using the Router is that all machines are standalone and no one machine depends on the other for anything.

BillyBob