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Missing NTLDR and switched Drives

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by roy66, 2004/08/07.

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    BillyBob Lifetime Subscription

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    It most certainly does.

    That is another resaon for my thinking of reformating the 2nd HD first which will not only clear off Windows but the Boot Sector also and leaving it in place with the jumpers set correctly. I myself prefer Master & Slave.

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    Yes, but ......... I'm not at all convinced that the drive letters were switched. I think you asked this question Pete and may have made the assumption, but XP is pretty stubborn re: drive letter changes involving the system disc. Unfortunately, we can't be sure of how they are currently labeled so caution is "well taken" comment. Regardless, I'm in full agreement with what you guys are recommending in so far as its the easiest way to avoid "mucking things up" longer term.

    Reason for my comments re: plug old secondary drive in after fixing the original system drive was to save any sensitive data that may have been on the old secondary. I won't further confuse the issue by talking boot order at this point in time as it relates to the two drives after the repair without a re-format. Instead, given Roy's current level of expertise, I'll certainly go along with your consensus, Pete & BB.

    I'll let one of you two summarize the procedure for Roy as I think it would be helpful to give him a numbered list of steps. Tomorrow morning, He'll be amazed what a good night's sleep can do for his computer.

    ;)
     

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    PeteC

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    Rockster2U

    Was doing just that as you posted. The implication in Roy's post is that the drive letters have switched, but .....

    Everyone

    How does this read .....

    Boot up the machine and copy all data of value from the original slave drive to the original master drive assuming there is room, otherwise burn to CD.

    Disconnect the original slave drive

    Check that the original master drive is jumpered as cable select and is connected to the end of the ribbon cable

    Run the fix for the missing NTDLR

    Assuming that this is successful reconnect the original slave drive and check if the system will boot.

    If the boot is successful check that no data of value remains on the original slave, now hopefully drive D:, and format D: through Disk Management

    If the m/c will not boot with this combination boot from a 98SE boot disk and use fdisk to delete the existing partition on the original slave drive, create a new one and format.

    Reboot the m/c and copy your data back onto the drive.


    I did think of deleting the Windows directory from the original slave which shouldn't be a problem, but might just be a case of 'burning your boats or is it bridges?'

    One small problem - I shall be out most of Roy's waking hours Monday with maybe half an hour to check on this thread in the morning and then away from home for the rest of the week. Would be obliged if you would cover and nurse his PC gently back to health. Thanks
     
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    Pete:

    Think you've got it very well laid out for Mr Rip er' Roy "Van Winkle" when he awakens. BillyBob may suggest reformatting the secondary before disconnecting it to patch the primary, but I can go either way - I like what you have outlined however because it is a safer approach in the event the patch fails. Hopefully, BB's not slugging down too many of those little 7oz Gennie Cream Ales this afternoon and will be back with an opinion before Roy finishes his eggs and grits.

    ;)
     
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    PeteC

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    Good morning Roy!

    This is our preferred approach to solving your problem - if there are any stages which you do not fully understand or have queries on please post back before going any further. Good Luck!


    Boot up the machine and copy all data of value from the original slave drive to the original master drive assuming there is room, otherwise burn to CD.

    Disconnect the original slave drive

    Check that the original master drive is jumpered as cable select and is connected to the end of the ribbon cable

    Run the fix for the missing NTDLR

    Assuming that this is successful reconnect the original slave drive and check if the system will boot.

    If the boot is successful check that no data of value remains on the original slave, now hopefully drive D:, and format D: through Disk Management

    If the m/c will not boot with this combination boot from a 98SE boot disk and use fdisk to delete the existing partition on the original slave drive, create a new one and format.

    Reboot the m/c and copy your data back onto the drive.
     
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    O-Key-Doe-Key. Here I am with what was requested.

    We may all be overlooking something here. maybe !

    If the case be that the drive letters were switched there may well be programs on the FORMER D: drive that at looking for D: If the drives are swithed and it now becomes C: it may well be VERY confusing to them along with the OS.

    Again, I do not like even mentioning FORMAT. But in this case I HIGHLY recommed formating the 2nd HD and leaving it in place when reinstalling the OS.

    There is already enough confusion and switching the HDs may well do nothing more than create MORE of same.

    And either way it may requires a re-install of most software anyway.

    BillyBob
     
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    PeteC

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    I feel sure that if we were sitting in front of Roy's PC the course of action might be a lot clearer.
     
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    I will agree with that.

    BB
     
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    Rockster2U

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    Hey Roy .....

    How long are you going to sleep?

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Think Roy Sleeps with the fishes ????????

    :rolleyes:
     
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    PeteC

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    Rockster2U

    Roy may have 'lost' his m/c completely now - hope not, but it might well be his only one and he can no longer communicate with us :(
     
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    Rockster2U

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    PeteC:

    You're a kind soul & a diplomat - thats exactly what I was questioning with my last post. Guess I should have said, "Think Roy's machine sleeps with the fishes?"

    ;)
     
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    PeteC

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    Hi guys and thanks Pete for your compassionate concern for me.

    Sleep was inevitable and I did awake but the H/D didn't.
    It was great to see a "team" of enthusiasts working on my behalf, you have no idea how grateful I am even though I was unable to logon and benefit from it all.

    Nothing is in vain and the post with your contributions will no doubt serve the needs and knowlege of others.

    As you mentioned Pete you "observed" my recent visit to the board as I was endevouring to iron out a few wrinkles resulting from a new install.

    I had not overlooked you and the team that gathered with you it was just that as I said...ironing out some wrinkles.

    Thanks and thanks and thanks again ever so much to you all.

    What more can I say???????? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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