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Resolved How to connect IDE 75GB HD to a SATA pc?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by pcyouzer, 2010/06/05.

  1. 2010/06/05
    pcyouzer

    pcyouzer Inactive Thread Starter

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    sata pc has a 250gb hd w/ sata connection. the sata pc has an ide cable, but its used for the cd drive, i dont think i can use that cable :(. how can i put the 75 hd in my sata pc?
     
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  2. 2010/06/06
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    The ribbon cable connecting the IDE CD-Rom drive to the motherboard has 2 connectors - one at the end probably currently connected to the CD-Rom drive and another midway down the cable.

    Connect the IDE hard drive to this and make sure that the drive is jumpered as Slave. The CD-Rom should be jumpered as Master - it probably is.
     
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  4. 2010/06/06
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    i saw that the ide cable has another connector or something but its towards the end of the cable, its just a few inches before it connects to the motherboard. i cant really strech it out so it cant reach where the hard drive stays at.

    can i strech it out? or do i just try to fit in the hard drive as best as i can?
     
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  5. 2010/06/06
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    You can't stretch the cable - are you certain that the cable is not folded for tidiness?

    Generally the spare connector is close to the end connector to which the CD-Rom is attached and well away from the motherboard.

    It can be difficult depending on the geometry of the case.

    Does your case have a spare 5 1/2" slot above or below the CD-Rom drive? If so you can mount the HD there using a 3 1/2" > 5 1/2" mount adaptor. You may find it necessary to use a longer ribbon cable.
     
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    cd rom is in 1 of 5 slots, only have the cdrom in those slots so i think i can get the hd there. if i do that what do i do w/ the cd rom?

    would this work? i connect the 75hd to the spare connector (leaving the case open) to reformat, then after reformatting i connect the 250hd to the sata.

    now i didnt build the computer, but i think the sata is the only thing that connects to the 250hd. there is another thing that can connect to a hard drive, but i completely forgot if it was for the 250, BUT it definitely doesnt look like it was for the 250. does look like its used for the ide drive.

    so i can use that other connector for the ide hard drive, then reformat, then connect the sata drive and backup files. would all that work?

    another thing is i can disconnect the ide cable and reconnect with the spare connect end next to where the cd rom is at, more space there.
     
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  7. 2010/06/06
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    pcyouzer,

    Pete's advice is sound but another option worth considering is buying an external USB enclosure. These can be bought for a few $/£'s and have the added benefit of portability.

    The link supplied is only to show an example and I neither endorse nor oppose buying the actual product mentioned, however if you decide to purchase an enclosure make sure it has it's own independent power supply as many USB ports will be unable to reliably sustain power to the drive.
     
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  8. 2010/06/07
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    It appears like the cable has been connected "the wrong way ".
     
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  9. 2010/06/07
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    I agree with Christer - as this is a home built computer it appears that the ribbon cable has been installed the wrong way round.
    Yes - the cable will then be oriented correctly
    you have 4 spare slots - fit the HD into one of those. If you have a spare 3 1/2" slot the drive will fit without adaptors.
    Presumably the SATA drive has the Operating System on it and is required to format the 75Gb drive. If you connect the 75 Gb drive to the ribbon cable Windows should see it and you can format it.

    Bear in mind that whichever device is at the end of the cable should be jumpered as Master and the other as Slave.
     
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  10. 2010/06/08
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    i managed to connect the ide drive, but the computer wouldnt start.

    on the old pc, the other cable that plugs into the ide drive is a cable w/ a white tip. in the main pc there's a white tip cable, but with 3 pins, and its not a plugin.

    so then i used my bro's cable, i think its the same cable in the old pc, but black tip, and its a long cable, with 3 black tip plugins, and on the end is a smaller plugin.

    the long black tip cable is plugged into the power supply btw. so do i have the right cable or do i need a white tiip cable? is it cuz the drive isnt set as master or slave? and to set a drive as slave or master i use the boot menu or i have to reconfigure wires? i thought it was thru the boot menu

    plz help me, those files are like the knowledge of the universe to me :(


    just found the name of the cable, 4-pin Molex. white tip, same on on my old comptuer, not in my new computer. i do have them in my new comp but no spares.
     
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  11. 2010/06/08
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    I am having some difficulty following your description of the cables - the 75 GB drive requires 2 cables only - a power cable which, as you rightly say is a Molex connector and the flat ribbon data cable.

    If you do not have any spare molex connectors on the powere supply, but presumably have spare SATA power connectors you will need a SATA power to Molex converter such as this.

    The drive is set to Master or Slave using jumpers on the rear of the drive - adjacent to the power and data sockets. Generally there is a diagram on the drive showing the position of the jumper for Master and Slave.
    how did you power the drive if you have no spare molex connectors? Without knowing exactly how you connected the drive there is no way of knowing why the computer would not start.

    Detail of the failuere to start - did it power up, were the fans running - did the hard drive and optical drive lights light flash?

    If you disconnect the drive does the computer boot?

    If it does not check all connections to the motherboard and drives - it is quite likely that one has become dislodged.

    In all honesty I think you should be seeking hands on advice from a computer savvy friend who has experience of working inside computers - that is not the place for the uninitiated.

    I fear you are going to trash something with your, with respect, limited knowledge of these matters.
     
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  12. 2010/06/08
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    i think i can get this done, just some misunderstanding, especially w/ the master/slave terms

    in the old pc, the 75 ide drive is connected to an ide cable and a 4 pin molex cable.

    w/ the new pc, i can connect the drive to an ide, the other cable is the same but w/ a black tip (i dont think that matters). that black molex cable is connected to the power supply, the cable has 3 different molex connectors and a smaller connector at the end.

    i connected the drive to all 3 of the molex connectors, and the computer would not start. inside the pc, a green light is always on if the pc power button is switched to on, that light was there. also, on the outside, i have a green and red light where the power/restart buttons are, the green light is always on, the red light shows if the pc is loading something or w/e. the red light barely comes on when i push the start button.

    after taking the ide drive off, the pc would turn on and everything. but w/ the ide drive connected it wouldnt turn on.

    im thinking all i have to do is set up the jumper cables for master/slave. my bro told me i do that thru the boot menu but i guess he's wrong. im gonna try that, cept i dunno how.

    on the ide drive, it shows hwo to set up slave, master w/ slave, single or master. wat am i sposed to do?
     
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  13. 2010/06/08
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    bro told me to set master/slave i have to go into the blue screen menu and put the drive as first boot. also said there's a small block where i plug in everything, i take that out. put the blcok on master then go into the settings to put first boot
     
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  14. 2010/06/09
    PeteC

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    We encourage all members to complete their System Specifications which help us to help you :)

    As things stand at the moment we have no idea which motherboard you are using (Make & Model of computer and/or motherboard). With that information we can take a look at the motherboard manual - assuming that it is available on the internet and advise specifically as to the BIOS settings.

    With most BIOS you can set the boot priority - example from my BIOS .....

    Enter the BIOS and navigate to the Boot Menu

    Under Boot Settings there is an entry for Boot Device Priority

    Clicking on that shows .....

    1st Boot Device
    2nd Boot Device
    3rd Boot Device

    1st Boot Device should be your DVD/CD-Rom Drive
    2nd Boot Device should be your 250 Gb drive which I assume is the one with the OS loaded
    3rd boot device can be set to Disabled.

    Your 75 Gb drive should not be selected for any of the devices.

    Set the drive to slave and connect it to the middle connector on the ribbon cable and ensure that the DVD/CD-Rom drive is set as Master.
     
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  15. 2010/06/10
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    pcyouzer Inactive Thread Starter

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    here is all the info i can get for my specs

    1) CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail $183

    2) MOBO: ASUS P5B-E LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $148.99

    3) RAM: CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory - Retail $139.99

    OR if I can make it before the deadline:

    3b) RAM: CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory - Retail
    $139.99 - $30 rebate=$109.99

    4) Videocard: EVGA 256-P2-N615-TX GeForce 7600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail $109.99-$10.00 rebate=$99.99

    5) Harddrive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $74.99

    6) CASE: COOLER MASTER Centurion 532 RC-532-SKN1 Black Aluminum bezel, SECC chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $49.99

    7a) PSU: Corsair HX Series CMPSU-520HX 520W Power Supply Retail $106.00

    8) DVD-Burner: LITE-ON 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 40X CD-ROM IDE DVD Burner included extra White bezel - Retail - OEM $29.99

    9) LCD Monitor: SAMSUNG 720N Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail $174.99-$40.00 rebate=$134.99

    10) Soundcard: M-audio Firewire solo $179.95

    11) Software: Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack - OEM $89.99

    --the soundcard is not maudio now, i have one that came w/ the computer or something

    --i have another video card. e-GeForce 9600 ct 512mb
     
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  16. 2010/06/10
    PeteC

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    Thanks for your System Details - even though you have not filled them in in your profile and indicated in the URL I posted.

    If you do not have it the motherboard manual is here .....

    http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?modelname=P5B-E&SLanguage=en-us

    Attached are 3 screen shots from my BIOS

    1. Hard Disk Drives - highlight and press enter

    2. First drive must be your SATA drive - highlight First Drive and Press Enter - use up/down arrow keys to select drive - Enter

    3. Boot Device Priority - your SATA drive should be listed as 2nd Device.

    Your BIOS may not be exactly the same of course.
     

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  17. 2010/06/10
    pcyouzer

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    im gonna reformat w/ the ide 75gb hd, then put in the sata 250gb hd. unless i can reformat both drives at the same time, and keep all my files in the sata drive? is that wat ur indicating?
     
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  18. 2010/06/10
    PeteC

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    I have not suggested a format of any drive - read my posts - I am trying to help you, but we do not seem to be getting anywhere.

    BTW I thought you desperately wanted files on the drive .....
    I seriously suggest you seek outside help to accomplish the installation of the 75 Gb drive.
     
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  19. 2010/06/10
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    i have to start another thread cuz i forgot to add something...i wanna connect the ide drive to my sata pc to reformat the computer, that's been solved.

    but also, after refomratting w/ the 75gb IDE hd, i wanna connect my 250gb sata hd so i can backup files. then after that i wanna reformat everything again, using the 250 sata drive, and the 75hd if i can

    i'll make another thread, mark this one as resolved
     
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