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computer just shuts down

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by spoiledroten, 2004/04/03.

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    PeteC

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    Martin

    If the mobo sensor is faulty that could explain these voltages - hence a crosscheck in BIOS. Must have been be up and running - at least to use Aida.

    If spoiledroten confirms those voltages - and the PC is up and running we are stuck between a faulty/failing mobo/PSU!

    Johanna - UPS on cordless ?? :D
     
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    Hang on guys..like I said it shuts itself off evey so often then I had someone come in so couldn't get right back to you.



    1. Those are the exact readings in Aida that I gave you.
    2. Yes it has lightning and power surge protection and is plugged in all by itself.
    3. Pete....those are what it showed me and as you can tell it does run (off and on that is).



    now I will go and try to check the BIOS like you said. I will be back as soon as it lets me.

    Karen
     

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    I just tried 3 times to get to the bios like Pete said but it just loads windows. I start tapping DEL as soon as it comes on but still goes to windows.

    karen



    How many fans should there be? I can see 2. A lg. one on the back of the tower and one on the side in front of something that looks like a box made up with a bunch of slats (don't know how else to describe it sorry). Is there supossed to be another one inside the grey metal box that the power cord plugs in to?
     
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    PeteC

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    Try F1 - on the POST screen - the first screen that comes up it should say which key to hit to enter setup - do a reboot with the monitor warm so that you see this screem.

    Incidentally I can't find A7V-ML mobo on the Asus site :confused:

    Please check or peer at the board - it will be there somewhere.

    Back shortly on the other points.
     
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    PeteC

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    Re. fans
    That sounds like the processor/heatsink/fan - you won't see the processor as it's hidden under that lot!
    Yes, but it is possible that it is on the top/bottom of the PSU as opposed to the back where the power cord plugs in.
     
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    Ok...got into the BIOS....but all that was across the top was>Main>Advanced>Power>Boot>Exit.


    There was not a Moniter option on that screen.
     
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    All BIOS's differ - look at the Power
     
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    I looked under power and the only thing there was something about turning the system on by button or ac. No option to go further to see anything else.

    I also found where it said >cpu fan speed back and forth between 4428 and 4369

    system fan speed>back and forth between no function and 1412 rpm

    cpu temp 1 44 degrees c


    I couldn't find anything about voltage
     
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    PeteC

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    It would seem that your BIOS does not pick up this information - that would go some way to explain the way out voltage readings from Aida.

    I managed to track down the A7V-ML motherboard on Google - it appears to be an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacture) board made by Asus for HP (Hewlett Packard) - and possibly for other PC makers too. Am I right on the make of PC?

    Please confirm that the CPU temp indicated in BIOS was 44 deg C which is fine and not 144 deg C which is far from fine.

    You are running XP - which version - Home or Pro? I am running Pro and the following may not apply to Home ......

    Right click on My Computer > Manage > (Computer Management) Event Viewer - click on System in the right hand pane.

    If you don't see Manage then don't read any further on this :)

    If you do get this far are there any Error messages flagged with a red icon?

    If there are error messages timed around the point the PC shut down double click on the message and when it opens click on the icon below the up/down arrows to copy to the clipboard and then paste in a post here. Just one or two for starters.

    I am inclined towards a failing power supply, but can't be certain.
     
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    Johanna, Martin - Over to you - I'm off to bed now :)
     
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    Hi All: Could that fluctuating system fan be a result of voltage loss? I just don't see a fan speed controller on this board.

    Seems we are down to focus on Power Supply but without reliable voltage reports it makes it extremely difficult.

    So do what Pete says to try to narrow the issue.

    Have you downloaded Motherboard monitor from:

    http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ (stolen from Johanna's post)

    It will help rule out the temperature issue if no other help.

    I'm with Pete on the PSU, did you take his advice and feel it to see how hot? If extremely hot at the unasked for shutdown it is most likely the culprit.

    And if it is failing, it can only get worse. One option might be to remove it, take it to your local PC shop and have them test it. It is only held in place with four screws, remove them and unplug the wires. If you choose this option, make sure you shut down your machine, unplug from the wall and ground yourself to the case before messing with it or the wiring to the machine.

    I hope you get this issue resolved quickly, I know how aggrevating these machines can be.

    Martin
     
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    spoiledroten Inactive Thread Starter

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    yes the cpu temp in BIOS was 44 degrees c.


    I am running XP Home

    Here is from event viewer. this was right around the time it just shut down..not a red flag but a warning.

    Event Type: Warning
    Event Source: Dhcp
    Event Category: None
    Event ID: 1003
    Date: 4/5/2004
    Time: 6:28:46 PM
    User: N/A
    Computer: KARENS
    Description:
    Your computer was not able to renew its address from the network (from the DHCP Server) for the Network Card with network address 00E0184050A6. The following error occurred:
    The semaphore timeout period has expired. . Your computer will continue to try and obtain an address on its own from the network address (DHCP) server.

    For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
    Data:
    0000: 79 00 00 00 y...





    Here is a red flag from a few minutes earlier...

    Event Type: Error
    Event Source: Service Control Manager
    Event Category: None
    Event ID: 7024
    Date: 4/5/2004
    Time: 6:16:38 PM
    User: N/A
    Computer: KARENS
    Description:
    The TrueVector Internet Monitor service terminated with service-specific error 0 (0x0).

    For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.


    There are a few more red flags scattered farther back and ALOT of warnings.
     
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    My daughters boyfriend just told me that the power supply grill was hot. He said it was really hot.
     
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    Trying to get rid of your daughter's boyfriend?? If the grille is really hot, the Power supply must be really, really, really hot. Open the computer and have somebody else touch the outside of the power supply case. See how high they jump. If over 6 inches, replace the power supply.:D

    All joking aside, medium warm is the hottest it should get. If it is failing that badly, too hot to touch, it could cause a fire inside your computer. Really bad news.

    Martin
     
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    Post Script: Neither of those errors you reported have an impact on the shutdown you are experiencing.

    One is the machine looking for an IP address on a network.

    The TruVector is Zone Alarm problem.

    These problems rank a distant 2nd to the power supply.

    Martin
     
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    Thanks Martin will head out to replace power supply. Thanks everyone for your help and patience with me.


    Karen
     
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    Look at how much you learned along your adventure! :D We're not so scary huh? ;)
     
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    One more bit of advice: don't buy the cheapest power supply you can find. I don't know what all the hardware installed in your computer, but minimum power supply today is 300 watts. Buy a reputable brand, Antec is one that I have heard recomended, but good ones are not cheap.

    Might post question to hardware forum for recomendations.

    You don't want to duplicate this experience.

    Also, I don't have an attorney, so if the new power supply does not fix the problem, please don't sue.:D

    Martin
     
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    PeteC

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    Thanks to the 'night shift' :) - glad to hear this appears to be heading in the right direction!

    Karen, please post back when you have replaced the power supply and let us know how it's all going.
     
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    spoiledroten

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    Goodness... I didn't realize that it has taken me over 2 months to let you guys know the outcome!! :eek:


    Sooooo Sorry....started a new job the same time this all happened and I just forgot :(


    Bought a new power supply like you guys said and she is running like a charm.


    Thanks so very much for all the help you all gave me and all the patience you had with me too. I do appreciate it very much; you guys are the best.

    You all take care......Karen
     
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