Resolved Bootup does not finish anymore

There is an alternative method, that I have used in the past - it involves a Linux disk that runs straight off the disc, no installation required. It came in a "Linux for Dummies" book. An OS installed on a pendrive (if that is possible, should be) could also do the trick.

Quick HDD format is not the same as an XP install, though I do believe that a XP install does a quick format. (Just to confuse people more... typical Microsoft )

 

OK, my arms are up and I am morose. This is getting uglier by the minute.

So, if I installed a new OS on my second HDD, it probably would not overwrite my exising files but I would need special tools to access those files??

 

That sounds about right.

EDIT: Not to open them, but to actually get at them. And you'd be likely to lose some anyway, after the installation...

 

We seem to have come to a dead end.

I have downloaded and created a BartPE disc in the hopes that that can help me somehow. I have started the computer with it but there is not much there that seems to ring a bell. Bill mentioned earlier that there is some kind of Startup Repair disc and does it work without Safe Mode being accessible? What does that utility do? I think that I am going to make a separate thread asking if someone knows how to reverse a repair install in the hopes that I can get Safe Mode back.

On a more desparate path, is there a way to access the files on the HDD and burn them onto a CD or DVD without accessing XP?

 

As to the latter, I have told you an alternate method. I believe you have already tried the Startup Repair procedure...

 

My knowing nothing about Linux is making me wary. Should it? How do I find such a utility, what would it even be called?

BTW, thanks for your everpresent help!!

 

I cannot honestly remember what the Linux disc/flavour was, but I know that the book told me how to back up the files. However, this is going two years back, and I don't remember how to do so, or the whereabouts of the book/disc. Sorry I can't be of more help.

Alternatively, of course, you could take the HDD to a computer store, and ask them to recover the data for you... of course, this would cost money.

 

One of several Linux systems that can be used running the OS off the CD -DVD is Knoppix probably the most popular, Ubuntu 8 is also available on CD, Knoppix you can download and then burn the ISO onto CD - DVD it is loaded with a lot of stuff.

http://www.knoppix.net/get.php

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Read through this article and it might give you some idea on what Knoppix is all about.
I have used it, but only to surf the net virus free, but have not engaged in it's more useful purpose of fixing corrupt Windows operating systems.

http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/

I would though first do as Lukeno1 suggested and mount the hard drive into an other PC as a slave drive and copy all the stuff that you want photos and any other documents over to an USB stick or better to an external USB hard drive as they are much bigger in general.

In my opinion this is at this point of time your best option to save your documents. If you have a big enough external hard drive you can copy your entire "My Documents" Folder over onto that.

In regards to reversing a Repair install I don't think this is possible, one guy that I know who knows exactly how to use your Barts PE is Rockster2U.

 

I am downloading Knoppix as we speak (so to speak). I ran BartPE but all that I could find to do on it was to run the Stuff Test. Which ran for 10 hours or so before is seemed to complete the series of tests, said "Loop 1 ", and started over. So it shut if off. It made no comments on its findings or gave the option of a Log file. One test was about 13Mb/s and the others were 47Mb/s.

I don't know anyone else that has a computer with a SATA controller so I cannot test the HDD. In fact ,some still have ISA slots! Furthermore, most of my friends and family consider me to be the tech guru..... if that isn't scary! But, I do have a 2nd HDD (Sata) and an external USB HDD. Maybe Knoppix will facilitate moving My Docs around. If the repair install has deleted my old restore points, I wonder if there is a way to recover them and either activate them or access their contents.

I wondering if there is a log file of some kind that would indicate where the Windows loading up is failing. It is probably too late in the process for the bootlog.txt to be of any value as I do get the single POST beep.

Hopefully, Rock will shimmy up to the bar. He, Chiles4 and Mattman greatly assisted my building of this system... and they made it fun!... it's not fun now.

 

Well, I have been busy. I ran Knoppix and it cannot mount my primary HDD. It did mount my secondary (Non OS) HDD. I assume that that is a nail for the coffin. Does it have a utility for helping with that??

I went back to the recovery console and it can read the directories on the primary along with allowing me to read the boot log ntbtlog.txt. There are 5 or 6 boots on the log. I know nothing about what these should look like but they all look the same. Each has about 900 lines. The first 30 are loaded, most after that do not load except for a smattering of loaded drivers here and there. The first 30 always ends with MUP.sys. Looks like everything that is loaded after mup.sys is from the system32/drivers folder. Many did not load items were often attempted 4 or 5 times in a cyclical manner. The final item on each logged attempt is different.

What does it mean? Can access in RC but not in Knoppix. Hmmm. I did determine that I can move stuff from the c drive to my d drive via the Recovery Console (RC). I cannot believe that knowing some DOS comes in handy in 2009.

 

Hi Larry,
read through this, it could help.

http://www.aitechsolutions.net/mup-sys-resolved.html

 

sorry for the very short reply, had a visitor call in.
There is one more thing that you can do I think and that would be, if you have enough space on your second HDD to create a partition on that and load a new OS onto that, or if you have some other spare unused HDD SATA or Pata (IDE) disconnect the corrupted drive and install a new OS onto that, than reconnect your corrupted hard drive as a slave and copy all your data over to your external.

 

Hi Larry, here is some more stuff about the mup.sys


When i restart my computer it hangs at mup.sys before immediatly restarting. this has happened once, and we had to replace the mother board. is there any way to fix it....without having to replace the motherboard....again?

Start the Recovery console or..
Start the computer with the boot disks or Windows CDROM
After the Welcome to Setup dialog box appears, press R to repair, and then press C to start Recovery console.
Choose install Windows and log on as Administrator.
At the command prompt type "disable Mup.sys "
"MUP stands for "Multiple UNC Provider" which assists Windows in locating resources when more than one redirector is on a machine such as "Microsoft Client for Microsoft Networks" and the "Novell Client for Novell Netware ". When a connection to a server is requested it does not know if the request is to a Novell server or an NT server. It will start looking for the server with the primary protocol on the primary requestor and then continue looking for the server on each protocol bound to each redirector until the server is found. "

when i do this, at "disable mup.sys" i get:
"The system registry does not appear to have an active ControlSet key.
The system registry may be damaged
If your system is currently hont starting correctly, you can try restarting it with the Last Known Good configuration or you can try repairing the installiation of Windows using the setup program's repair and recovery options.
The registry entry for the Mup.sys service cannot be located.
Check that the name of the service is specified correctly. "

when you run the xp startup disk, @ press
f2/ if you need to install a third party
driver for raid, etc etc start to press F5,
continuously untill a popup windows
with "i486 or other" choose i486, you should
then be able to load windows and fix any
problems

I believe that this bypasses the HAL,

good luck. ps i just recovered two systems
in the last week using this method

Hi my XP Pro system got the mup.sys error just out of the blue today. Here's what I did:
1. Ran XP setup and logged onto my C:\windows
2. EXPANDed the d:\i386\mup.sy_ file to C:\windows\system32\drivers folder
after a failed reboot or two I then followed the advice of whoever wrote about pulling out their mouse lead during safe mode boot.
I was running a Logitech cordless mouse off that system at the time and I did the following to get XP to boot successfully:
1. made sure ACPI, Plug & Play, USB all enabled in BIOS
2. moved mouse from the ps/2 port to the first USB port
3. booted using safe mode
4. waited until it hung at Mup.sys
5. removed the mouse cable from the USB port
6. (3 seconds or so pass, the screen went black and safe mode appeared)
7. restarted system
8. booted normally into XP Pro
job's a goodun', thanks to that poster!
Thanks all
Adam

 

Hey Hawk, some great stuff here!! Thanks.

Considering that none of the devices load after the mup.sys loads, we may be onto something. I am willing to disable the mup.sys in RC but what will that accomplish if the devices will not load and I still have a bad mup.sys file?

The entry on this particular manuever...

is a little unclear to me and I am not sure how to fix it, if windows does actually load.

Any insights? Thanks!!!

PS- I decided to run chkdsk again before going to work as I read that your should run it until it finds no errors. It found "one or more errors" again. I am now running it again to see if it clears. Could it possibly keep finding errors that it never really resolves?

 

Sorry Larry, but I have not done that myself so I can not tell you anything on that one.
When you run chkdsk do you use the /r or /f or both ??
Some good instrucktions here:

http://www.schrockinnovations.com/chkdsk.php

http://vlaurie.com/computers2/Articles/chkdsk.htm

 

I ran /p and /r. I did not run /f but the errors that it found on /p were fixed. I could try /f, too... what the heck.

I tried some the mup fixes and they all produced no joy. When I used the stock mup.sys to replace the registry one, the boot up got a little further into the process.. just a litte. One common comment is that stopping at mup does not necessarily indicate that it is mup at all and it could be other things including the power supply. I guess that I need to go out and buy another power supply and try it out.

 

get a Power Supply tester it is cheaper to start with, and if no good you can always buy a new PSU then.

 

Well, if you move the C drive's important stuff onto the D drive (if possible), then you can reformat the hard-drive and try and get the PC working again.

 

Hi Hawk, didn't know such a thing existed. The only place to buy brick and mortar in L.A. now is Fry's and they only had a lukewarm-rated Coolmax tester. I bought on line a Thermaltake tester. Should have it in a couple of days.

Meanwhile, Luke, once the PSU issues are cleared up, I will try to use the Knoppix prog to move stuff to the external HDD and clear off my 2nd SATA HDD to make it available for a clean install. Whoa, feel like I am heading backwards. It is my nature to believe that things are usually fixable and this would be throwing in the towel.

While involved in the MUPS stuff, I did try to rebuild the MUPS from the i386 folder (file?) and did so (to no beneift). If, by some miracle, I can get this boat righted again, will that change cause me grief??

thanks, Lar

 

oops!