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Discussion in 'Other PC Software' started by jaylach, 2005/08/24.

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  1. 2005/09/21
    charlesvar

    charlesvar Inactive Alumni

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    Hi JanJL,

    "On 2nd thought - maybe that's right, the problem with XP's backup is that the "buffer" for that backup has to be HUGE. A straight copy would suffice and be a lot faster. ".
    The MS backup works by collecting all the info that it is backing up into a hidden folder (buffer area) instead of simply copying/moving files from the origin disk to the destination. The gyrations that has to be done for that is what's taking so long. MS's backup was first developed for backup to cd's where it does make sense to do that.

    If you would simply use explorer to copy folders to the backup disk it would be a lot faster.

    Copying the OS is a waste of time and does slow the process down. It wouldn't do you any good to "restore" those files in case of problems with the OS - it's not "bootable" and if you "restored ", it would bring the OS to it's knees. Drive Imaging would be the way to copy/restore the OS.

    Regards - Charles
     
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  2. 2005/09/21
    Christer

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    JanJL,
    Ghost 2003 is bundled with Ghost 9!

    It is dead easy to clone one harddisk to another using Ghost 2003. The only thing to remember is to never start the computer with the original and the clone connected. Don't let Ghost "reset" the computer when the procedure is completed, that will render the clone not bootable. Tell Ghost to "continue" and quit Ghost from the dropdown menu and shut down the computer. Remove either the original or the clone before restarting.

    Once the computer has been booted from the clone and verified to be OK, then the original can be connectd as slave, partitions deleted and reused for any other purpose. (Reconnecting it as slave will render it not bootable but that's not a problem if it is going to be wiped and reused.)

    I would recommend doing the cloning booted to DOS from the Ghost Boot Disks. I do everything "Ghost" from the GBD's, it feels much safer and cloning Disk-to-Disk from within Windows with an automated restart would probably fail.

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  4. 2005/09/21
    Welshjim

    Welshjim Inactive

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    Christer--You were most kind to do all that exploring to find the "Better USB Driver ". And I am sorry you messed up your PC for a while in the process.
    However, since I have a Western Digital USB EXternal HD, I suspect it best that I not use a driver made for Panasonic (Micro Solutions) HD's.
    If you are willing would you elaborate on that?
     
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  5. 2005/09/21
    JanJL

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    Ghost

    Christer,
    Thanks for the tips on Norton Ghost; I probably got one of those wrong when I did my only unsuccessful Ghost clone a month ago. I received the Ghost 9 bundled in with NORTON SYSTEMWORKS PREMIER 2005.

    I thought I was saving some time when I have to restore, by backing up the OS. The PC was delivered with WinME and I suffered through a year before upgrading (upgrade WinXP pro, not standalone CD). A "clean" restore would mean installation of WinME from the hidden partition, then an upgrade to WinXP pro, then SP1, then SP2.

    Now I understand what you mean about the "buffer "; with only 6 GB free on a 40GB disk, I was probably doing a lot of swapping and that killed speed entirely.

    I will add Ghost to the TO DO list along with Dantz Retrospective Express.

    ....................................... Jan
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Jim,

    Not Your fault! There was one "strange looking website" which was "not available" and I may have picked up something there. (Shouldn't "drive by thingies" be prevented by SP2? I can't think of anything "internal" causing my problems!) Anyway, the Ghost Boot Disks and a cup of coffee took care of that in five minutes.

    According to NightOwl and the other guys at RADIFIED, it works well with a variety of harddisks. It couldn't possibly be worse than the Ghost driver!

    I have not purchased Ghost 9 myself but Ghost 2003 is hidden in a folder on the CD. I assume it must be the stand alone Ghost 9, not within a Norton System Works CD but I could be wrong. I will search the RADIFIED Forums to see if I can find the location.

    Jan,

    I have never used Ghost 9 but from what I have read, doing a Disk-to-Disk cloning operation is quite complicated. You have to do each partition by itself and booted to the recovery CD. (The recovery CD and the installation CD are the same.) I have no plans to do neither scheduled backups nor incremental backups and what I like about Ghost 2003 is almost totally missing in Ghost 9. I will stick with Ghost 2003 until a new file system prevents its use.

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  7. 2005/09/21
    charlesvar

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    Hi Jan,

    The PC was delivered with WinME and I suffered through a year before upgrading (upgrade WinXP pro, not standalone CD). A "clean" restore would mean installation of WinME from the hidden partition, then an upgrade to WinXP pro, then SP1, then SP2.

    A clean install (I think that's what you mean) does not mean a restore of WinMe.

    The "upgrade" XP pro can be used for a clean install - the difference between it and a retail version is that at the beginning of the install, it will ask for proof of a previous Windows version, you would at that point pop in the ME cd, and then once verified, continue with the install.

    SP2 is cumulative, no need for SP1.

    Regards - Charles
     
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  8. 2005/09/21
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Jim,

    I let the RADIFIED pack loose on it ...... :cool: ...... follow the development in Ghost 2003 on the Ghost 9 CD

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  9. 2005/09/21
    Welshjim

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    Christer--Many thanks. hat I see on the link you provided is that per Brian is " but in the retail version Ghost 2003 is not included on the Ghost 9 CD. Ghost 2003 is on a separate CD that comes tossed into the same box with the Ghost 9 CD. " And even that may apply only to an OEM version of Ghost9.
    I see that you are a Moderator on the Radified forum. The secret is out. :)
     
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  10. 2005/09/22
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Jim,
    being a moderator over there is not a big deal. Compared to this board, the traffic is low and not much to moderate, if anything at all. The forums are open, no need to register to be able to post. I would actually expect more "drive by shootings" if You know what I mean but not a single "hand grenade ". Rad appointed three of us who are regulars. We messed with eachothers topics and posts to learn. Moving, closing, editing, sticking, unsticking but since then it has been quiet.

    About Ghost 2003 bundled with Ghost 9, I'll do a search at SS (Symantec Support), to find out if there is an official statement.

    Christer
     
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  11. 2005/09/22
    Christer

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    Jim,
    a new version, Norton Ghost 10, has been released but I assume that the same applies to Norton Ghost 9. I quote from Norton Ghost 10.0 product info ...:

    My assumption that Norton Ghost 9 includes Norton Ghost 2003 is backed up by PCMAG's review of Norton Ghost 9:

    A second backup in PCWORLD - Norton Ghost 9.0 - Product Marketing Description:

    It seems like Dan Goodell at RADIFIED has got it right.

    Christer
     
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