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Resolved Cannot See XP In Windows 7 Network

Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by James Martin, 2013/06/26.

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    James Martin

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    ...but I can see Windows 7 computer in XP.

    I have searched the web for a solution, but nothing seems to work.

    For what it's worth, I am running Windows firewall on both machines, and both PCs are connected via a Net Gear 7550 (AT&T) modem (wired). In addition, I have configured Internet Protocol to use OpenDNS servers on both computers.
     
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    James Martin

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    1. Network discovery: ON
    2. File and printer sharing: ON
    3. Public folder sharing: ON
    4. Media streaming: to your individual choice
    5. File sharing connections: Enable 40- or 56-bit encryption
    6. Password protected sharing: ON
    7. HomeGroup connections: Use user accounts and passwords

    Is this necessary for networking to XP from Windows 7? I thought XP used 128bit encryption.
     
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    No go. I still can't see XP in Windows 7.

    I tried both encryption settings, but it did not help.

    In addition, the only way I can access Windows 7 through XP is to disable password protection in Windows 7. If I do enable W7 password protection, I get an error message: \\name2 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. etc, etc, etc.
     
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    This looks like a toughie, but all comments are welcome.

    I don't guess making an exception to windows firewall will help any. I think it's already configured to work with local networks. Maybe I'll try a different modem, and /or switch combo.
     
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    You are probably using XP Home rather than XP Pro. XP Home uses Simple File Sharing and cannot natively be disabled. XP Pro has the option to disable it and use password file sharing. Basically, XP home shares files by treating all network users as a member of the Guest account, with limited security.

    I have a work-around somewhere to convert XP Home file sharing into XP Pro file sharing but I'll have to dig around some old file storage locations and see if I can find it. Once that is done, you can disable the Homegroup completely on the other computer and setup password sharing that works.

    Meanwhile, try booting XP in Safe Mode > login > go to Control Panel > Folder Options > View tab and scroll to bottom of list. If Simple File Sharing is there then uncheck it.
     
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    It does. I should amend that page... The suggestion to change to the lower encryption is specifically for using mapped drives to non Microsoft OS-running devices such as media players or other stuff.
     
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    I decided to reinstall XP Home, and after using XP's network wizard I can now see the XP computer in Windows 7...however, I still cannot access it due to error code 0x80070035. I'm searching the web for answers, but nothing has helped yet.

    In addition, I can't gain access to W7 shared folders if it requires a password. The only way I can access these folders is to navigate to W7 Advanced Sharing Settings and turn off Password Protected Sharing.
     
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    Boot XP Home in Safe Mode and advanced security features will be available. Rt click a folder to be shared and setup permissions for the share. Reboot.

    When using password sharing you should add user accounts to each computer.

    Comp 1 user: John
    Comp 2 user Bill

    Comp 1 should have 2 accounts, John & Bill
    Comp 2 should have 2 accounts, Bill & John

    John is the only one who ever logs on at Comp 1.
    Bill is the only one who ever logs on at Comp 2.

    Each comp has an account for the other user, who only log on to each other's comp via the network.
     
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    Sorry, I'm confused at this point.

    When I right click on (D drive - for example), I see a security tab, but there are what appears to be 5 accounts listed. I am only aware of mine (admin privileges) and the administrator account.

    • Administrators (mine\Administrators)
    • Creator Owner
    • Everyone
    • SYSTEM
    • Users (mine\Users)

    Which one do I select so I can click on the selection boxes in the lower section?
     
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    What's the username you use to logon to XP Home comp?
    What's the username you use to logon to Windows 7 comp?
     
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    Is it safe to disclose that on a public forum?

    They're both the same for what it's worth.
     
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    I'm sorry, I misunderstood your question.

    XP name is called Owner. Note: In XP's System Properties / Computer Name tab, my full computer name is nonert-eb6047ca. Owner is my account name.

    W7 is called newert2

    At least that is what I see at the logon screens.
     
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    Update: I am now sharing files between both computers (as long as W7 files require no password). I thought I had granted folder permissions in XP, but apparently I had not even though I had turned on file sharing in the network wizard.

    Two issues remain though...

    1. Why am I able to access XP's shared folders from Windows 7 even though I setup a password using the command prompt feature (user net guest *) in XP? Is this a flaw in XP's security?

    2. What exactly *is* the network password for Windows 7? I know the wireless connection password, but Windows 7 and XP are hard wired to the router. I though it was my logon password, but that does not work. Surely it wouldn't be the Home Group password, but I have no Home Groups set up.

    Edit: Still waiting on your response, Tony.
     
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    OK, you logon to XP using the name Owner.
    You logon to Wint using the name newert2.

    It's safe to have these names here because no one knows the logon passwords you use.

    Anyway, for Owner (XP) to access password shares on the Win7 comp you need to create a new user on Win 7 with the name Owner and the same password Owner has on XP. Then allow Owner to access the desired share.

    Not a flaw, it's by design. XP Home lacks the security of XP Pro. XP Home was made for home use where security is not such a big concern, while XP Pro was designed for the business community where security is more important. Those that wanted more security used XP Pro at home.
     
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    That did it. :)

    I can now logon to Windows 7 shared files via XP by using newert2 as the user name and the same password that I use to logon to Windows 7 with. I kept trying to use the full computer name located in Control Panel\System and Security\System as the user name, but that did not work.


    I guess that is what you trying to tell me in post number 6?...


    You are probably using XP Home rather than XP Pro. XP Home uses Simple File Sharing and cannot natively be disabled. XP Pro has the option to disable it and use password file sharing. Basically, XP home shares files by treating all network users as a member of the Guest account, ****with limited security****.

    I have a work-around somewhere to convert XP Home file sharing into XP Pro file sharing but I'll have to dig around some old file storage locations and see if I can find it.



    If you would, can you enlighten me about my #12 post? I have seen this in Safe Mode before, but the many listings confuse me...

    http://www.windowsbbs.com/networkin...nnot-see-xp-windows-7-network.html#post609187
     
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  20. 2013/07/04
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    Administrators (mine\Administrators)
    Creator Owner
    Everyone
    SYSTEM
    Users (mine\Users)

    These are not users, these are user groups, though an individual user can be added to the list.

    For example, let's say while logged on in your own account, as a member of the Administrators group, you create a directory named "My Stuff" and store some files in it. You are the owner of that directory and its files. You have full access and control.

    Now, let's say the comp has an additional user account named John Doe, a limited account. John Doe (this account) is a member of the Users group, not the Administrators group. This account cannot make system-wide changes such as turn off automatic updates, edit the registry, install new hardware, etc. By default, this account will not be able to access your My Stuff directory and its files. But you can override that at that directory's Security tab. You can click on Edit then Add and add the object John Doe, then set access permissions such as Full, Read, Write, etc.

    XP Home can only access those advanced security features when in Safe Mode. That's the way it's designed. It uses Simple File Sharing to share files, which is built upon the native Guest account.

    In XP Pro, one has access to all the security features in normal mode, one can disable Simple File Sharing and one can completely disable the Guest account and one has full control over what other users can and cannot do, including network users.

    XP had 2 common versions, Home & Pro. Later operating systems had more versions, with varied levels of security, making sharing a bit more complex between Windows versions, as you have found out!

    Any computer has some common important names:
    1. Computer name
    2. Domain or Workgroup name
    3. User's full name
    4. User account name (used to logon)
    5. User's password

    When sharing files over a network, one browses #2, selects #1, logs on using #4 & #5.
     
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