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XP not supported Java

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by albatros, 2004/04/28.

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  1. 2004/04/28
    albatros

    albatros Inactive Thread Starter

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    My browser not support Java Applets.
    Windows XP Home Edition
    Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
    IE 6.0.2800.1106 xpsp2.030422-1633 upd sp1
    Another Win XP box with IE support Java.
    Need I additionally install huge JVM to enable see applets?
     
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    Because Microsoft was sued by Sun Microsystems, they had to pull the Microsoft JVM from the browswer in SP1a.
    If you need java support, download and install the Sun JRE at java.sun.com
     
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    Hi Jim!

    In a short period of time, this link to MS VM has been recommended to people who don´t have MS VM installed.

    I have compared the file, downloaded from Softpedia with the file, downloaded from Windows Update Catalog. They have different names but are the same. They both start with msjavWU, WU I assume to stand for Windows Update.

    In Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-011 it is stated (under Patch Availability):

    I interpret that as, if a previous version of MS VM is not installed, this update can not be deployed.

    On a web site, which is now history, I downloaded two files. One is the same as those above and the other is msjavx86 which was said to be the full version of MS VM build 3802.
    msjavx86 (3802) should be installed first and then updated by deploying msjavwu (3810).

    I am currently running Sun Java and haven´t tried it but finally to my question:

    Are You sure that it works with only msjavwu?

    Christer
     
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    "Are You sure that it works with only msjavwu? "
    I am not sure this will answer your question. And since I have not used the softpedia download *, I cannot tell you whether you will in fact get a clean installation of MSVM. That is certainly what is implied at the softpedia site, and no one to whom I have recommended this link has responded that they were unsuccessful.
    If you have an earlier version of MSVM on your PC, you can get the update to version 3810 by running Windows Update. However, as has been stated, MSVM was not included with the latest versions of WinXP. Those people cannot get an update to MSVM by running Windows Update, since there is nothing to update. And perhaps because of the (now settled) patent situation between MS and Sun, MS would not offer a complete installation of MSVM. Whether there is a difference between the "update" and a clean installation I do not know. But it was somewhat immaterial to those who had no MSVM on their PC.
    They are the ones who can presumably be helped by the softpedia download, which to my understanding is not merely an update but rather a full install of MSVM v3810.
    * Since I had MSVM on my PC, I used Windows Update when I wanted v3810.
     
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    Christer

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    Well, it wouldn´t be the first time that MS is misleading in their KB articles and Bulletins.
    I recall clearly to have read somewhere that the patch, as it is called, can not be used for a "fresh" install but I don´t remember where I read it. Probably at the web site from which I downloaded the two files.

    Let's hope for some feedback from people who have tried and either were successful or unsuccessful.

    Christer
     
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    Christer--We are not disagreeing. You cannot get the "patch" from Windows Update if you do not have MSVM installed on the PC. And you cannot get a fresh installation of MSVM from MS. So softpedia is the only "game in town" unless you want to install Sun's Java. But some programs only work with MSVM.
     
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    Christer

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    Jim,
    You can get msjavwu.exe (3810 update) from the Windows Update Catalog (corporate download) if You do the search for Windows XP RTM.

    I don´t know why the web site was shut down, the one from which the full version and the update could be downloaded.

    However, I downloaded both files in time and if the update doesn´t work without a previous version installed ...... ;) ...... I´ll say no more ...... :cool: ...... !

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    Do you have your browswer set to allow Java applets? What about your firewall protections?

    See here to see how set your browser. Make sure you have set the necessary permissions in your firewall, or any other ad blocking software you may be using.

    btw, Sun Java and VM live happily side by side on my computer. Anyone who can't download MSVM is welcome to email me privately for the install file.

    Johanna
     
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    So, there is NO any guarantee, that my users will see my Applet on they XP machines?
     
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    No, if they have no Java installed, Sun, Microsoft or any other, they will not see it.

    Download and try to install as per the link to Softpedia provided by Welshjim and post back with the results.

    If it doesn´t install, PM either me or Johanna for the full version!

    Christer
     
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    I am worry not myself, but about my clients.They cannot see convenient Java applet online store. Where is Microsoft link and Sun java links for JVM?
     
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    Clarification

    msjavx86 is 5 375 kB, msjavwu is 5 195 kB (Thanks, Christer, for the C & P I just did! I did not want to type out the complete thing!) are both install files for MS VM.

    Albatros,
    I don't think the majority of your customers have their java disabled to cause difficulties with your web store. Perhaps you don't have the applet set up so that they can use it as intended? Have you received specific complaints?

    Johanna
     
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    I have not finished applet yet, but I would like, that clients had no any problems with Java applet, like showing empty gray square etc.

    Albatros,
    I don't think the majority of your customers have their java disabled to cause difficulties with your web store. Perhaps you don't have the applet set up so that they can use it as intended? Have you received specific complaints?

    Johanna[/QUOTE]
     
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    Christer--My copy of msjavwu.exe (5,195KB dated 3-04-03) says it is version 3809. But my version of msjava.dll is v 3810. And a Run on jview says I have v3810 of VM installed. I think I got all these from Windows Update, since I had VM on my PC as part of the OEM installation of Windows98FE.
     
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    Christer

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    Jim,

    I have only updated from the version (?) in XP pro SP1 to 3810 but it seems like updates to MS VM has been a frequent occurrence.

    When I bought a new harddisk, I decided to reinstall XP pro (as opposed to Ghosting the previous installation) and go SP1a and Sun Java instead.

    Either one worked for me but Sun actually notifies when in use through an icon in the notification area (if that´s what it´s called down to the right by the clock).

    Christer
     
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    Johanna

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    My VM is version 3810 also, and I installed it from the later (msjavwu) file. Neither one is checked as default, and I have more problems with the ad blockers disabling legit applets (I have to remember to turn off AdSubtract Pro to do a crossword puzzle I like) than getting either one to work, automatically. Norton prompts me for every script, so my permissions in IE are set a little lower than I would tell someone else to do. My surfing habits are rather benign, and I am the only user on this computer.

    If I remember correctly, one of the MS updates disabled VM, and that install file restores it to working order. Then they put out another patch and called VM something else so that people still could browse in IE. Was it SP1a that broke it? I'd have to look it up. Ann, where are you? She'd know exactly.

    Johanna
     
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