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Resolved Windows Update renders laptop unbootable

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Pops, 2011/08/15.

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    Pops

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    I have a Windows XP Pro SP3 Dell Inspiron laptop. Starting about 18 months ago, about every 4 months or so when a Windows Update runs, it leaves the laptop unbootable. When I power up I see theinitial Dell screen, then it goes to a black screen with the cursor blinking in the upper left corner. Pressing F8 will not give me an option to boot into Safe Mode or to boot to last known good configuration. In the past all I could do is to reinstall a fresh copy of XP which is obviously a time consuming task. So, I have two questions. First, what is causing this, and second, is there anyway to get the machine back to it's formner state without reinstall XP?

    I would appreciate any and all help as I am quite desperate!

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    Hi Pops, can you start with your XP CD and try a repair? Neil.
     

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    Recovery did not resolve the issue

    Thanks for your reply. I have tried the recovery but it did not resolve the issue. I'm pulling hair out here and trust me, there wasn't much to begin with!
     
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    Evan Omo

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    Hi Pops. When Windows Update renders the computer unbootable, is it caused by one or a series of updates that you can identify? Does it happen with a particular update or can it be any security update that renders the computer unbootable?

    When you boot from the Windows XP CD try entering the Recovery Console and running the following commands:

    chkdsk /r
    fixmbr
    fixboot


    Can you get the computer to boot normally after running those three commands or is a repair install the only way that you can repair Windows XP?
     
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    Therein lies the frustration. Because historically all I knew to do was to do a fresh install of Windows, I could never do the research to find out. That just continues to leave me vulnerable. My suspicion is that it is a series of updates and one of them is not finishing properly.

    I did run the checkdsk /r earlier but I will try the other commands and then report back.

    Thanks
     
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    Ok cool. Maybe when you get the computer back up and running try installing just one update at a time and reboot the machine after each update is installed.

    This way if the computer becomes unbootable after installing one update then you know that it is either that one update is causing the problem or you have a corrupted Windows installation.
     
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    Well I have run both the FIXMBR and FIXBOOT and it still won't boot. Is there anyway to access system restore without booting into windows? Or perhaps get safe mode back?
     
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    Evan Omo

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    I ran through the commands but it wouldn't do the restore. I received an error message indicating that a dll was missing.

    I am getting desperate and about to do a reformat and reinstall. It's so dang frustrating as this is the 4th time this has happenned with Windows Update. At this point in time, the biggest question is how do I prevent this from happenning again? Do I simply ignore any Windows updates?

    I would appreciate some views here. This has me lost and quite confused as to what direction to go in as each time this happens it costs me a great deal of time.
     
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    IMNSHO you can not ignore Windows updates.

    You'll have to find out what is causing your particular problem. My first thought is that it is related to:

    1. A hardware problem

    2. Malware/Virus infections.
     
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    I appreciate the thought Arie, but this is a catch-22 situation.

    First of all, I can assure you, there are no viruses on this machine. I am very thourough about that but I have gone thourhg the machine using a KRD Recovery Disk to run anti virus iunder Linux mode. It came out abasolutely clean.

    As to hardware issues, I suppose it can not be ruled out. However, I have taken this machine into a shop to have them run diagnostics on the hardware and they give ti a clean bill of health. I have run chkdsk as well, looking of rissues and none were found. I even replaced the hard drive about 4 months ago just to eliminate teh possibility of this happenning.

    As to finding out what is causing the problem, I agree, but how do I do that? I can't boot the machine into normal mode, safe mode, or last know configuration that worked.

    But, if I leave Windows Updates turned on, it takes the machine out. That is not aceptable either. I think this is known as the rock and the hard place.
     
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    The name of the missing dll could get us started?
     
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    It was SRRSTR.dll
     
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    Start with a 'fresh' Windows install. Update to latest service pack. Use imaging software to make an image of this drive.

    Switch off Windows Updates automatically installing.

    Now start by installing the first 5 updates (take note which updates they are). After they are installed, completely shutdown the machine like you would do normally. Restart & see if things still work.

    If things still work, update your drive image, rinse & repeat (i.e. install the next 5 updates).

    If thing fail at one point, go back to your last drive image, then star installing the last 5 updates one-by-one until you find the culprit.

    Yes, this will be a lengthy procedure, but most likely the only way to troubleshoot the issue.
     
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    Lengthy yes, but the other way os no fun that's for usre. I will follow your instructions and see what happens. Several questions:

    In doing the 'fresh' install, would you sugest wiping the hard drive as well?

    Any recommendation on imaging software?

    The cd I have is for SP 1a. Is there a way to jump straight to SP3 or do I need to follow the 1a, 2, 3 route?
     
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    Just a format.

    I can't recommend anything other than Acronis True Image Home, but that's not free. Have a look here: http://www.windowsbbs.com/other-software/95207-good-free-drive-cloning-software.html

    Nope. You'll need SP2 first. You could use this: Slipstreaming Windows XP Service Pack 3 and Create Bootable CD
     
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    A quick thought. Any possibility that Zone Alarm Extreme is a culprit here?
     
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    Its always a possibility that third party programs especially security programs could interfere with the installation of Windows Updates.

    When you do the fresh install of Windows I would follow Aries advice and in addition I wouldn't install any third party programs for testing purposes since you want to rule out that other programs could mess up the Windows Update process.
     
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    Is it possible to do a system restore from a restore point that is backedup on an external drive?
     

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