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Uninstalling Windows 2000

Discussion in 'Legacy Windows' started by Torcano, 2005/11/02.

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    Torcano

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    I have installed Windows XP on a computer that had Windows 2000 on it. Both OS are now on my computer. How do I uninstall 2000? I don't see the program listed on the "remove programs" section on the control panel.
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    Hello Torcano,

    How do I uninstall 2000? I don't see the program listed on the "remove programs" section on the control panel.
    It wouldn't be, not that simple :)

    Boot into XP, right click on My Computer > Manage > under Storage > Disk Management. What partitions do you see?

    For reference, take a look at this thread http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php?t=49176 - the poster wants to get rid of Media Center. The technique would be the same for you.

    Before proceeding, post back.

    Regards - Charles
     

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    Torcano

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    uninstall windows 2000

    Charles,thanks for your response. Under the heading Volume it reads C: and under the heading "layout" it reads Partition. Under the heading "type" it reads basic and the file system is FAT32.
    Bob
     
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    Hi Bob,

    Is there a dual boot menu - a choice of which OS to start - on bootup?

    If not, what's the indicator that you still have WK2 on the system?

    Your not seeing more than one partition has me puzzled.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    Hi Bob,

    I've asked for opinions on questions to ask:

    If you can answer those, we'll know more on how to proceed.

    Regards - Charles
     
  7. 2005/11/04
    Torcano

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    Thanks again. I installed a full version of Windows XP from the Microsoft CD onto my pc which was running Windows 2000. I installed the CD while Windows 2000 was running. I did not format the disc before installing XP, but I would like to do that and erase the Windows 2000 OS. There is definitely a dual boot menu which asks me to select which OS I want to choose. It will default to XP if I do not do anything. If I select 2000, the Windows 2000 OS will open. My preference to to reformat the hard drive and re-load XP from the CD that was in the Windows XP box that I purchased. Can I do that?
    Bob
     
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    Christer

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    Hi Torcano!

    Yes, you can do a clean installation of WinXP. The error you made was to start the installation of WinXP from within Win2K. Even if you had attempted a format, Win2K wouldn't have let you since it can't destroy itself while running.

    There is a small problem and that is the dual boot menu. Even if you format during installation, it will still be there when you are finished. To deal with that, you have to restart the computer after having formated it and let the WinXP installer detect an empty hard disk and not have the old information about an existing operating system (in your case, two). Restarting at that point is not an option during the installation of WinXP.

    I would use a Win98 start disk to format the hard disk. If you don't have one, it can be downloaded here. Insert an empty floppy disk in the drive and double click the downloaded file. It will create the Win98 start disk for you.

    Start the computer with the floppy in the tray. When it is up and running, type: format C: /u and press ENTER. The hard disk will get formated and when finished, you will be prompted for a label. That's not necessary so, just press ENTER.

    Take out the floppy and insert the WinXP install CD in the tray. Press ctrl-alt-del and the computer should restart from the CD and the installation will commence.

    I recommend a full format to NTFS rather than FAT32 which is the current file system.

    Good luck!

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    McTavish

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    Sorry to butt in Christer, but it sounds like he parallel installed XP into the same partition as 2k. If that’s the case then formatting during the XP install is all that’s required to get rid on the ntloader boot menu. Even if he does have two separate partitions these can both be deleted from the XP setup and a new one created, which will also remove the old ntloader files.
     
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    Christer

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    Hi McTavish!

    Butting in is what this board is about ...... ;) ...... no need for excuses.

    As long as the same OS is reinstalled there is no problem but if it is a different one, according to my experience, there is.

    I have on two occasions installed XP-pro on a hard disk that previously had XP-home. During the installation of XP-pro, I deleted all partitions and recreated them , formated the system partition and when finished was greeted by a multi boot menu (XP-pro and XP-home) at startup. The situation is easy to fix by an edit of boot.ini but not everyone knows how to.

    My first conclusion was that the MBR played a part in this and I started using DELPART to delete the partitions and then do the partitioning and formating from the install CD. This got rid of the multi boot menu. However, someone informed (educated) me that my conlusion was wrong:

    When the installation is started, Windows PE (Preinstallation Environment) detects the current operating system (in my cases XP-home) and that information is held in RAM. When the partitions are deleted, recreated and formated, Windows PE does not 'redetect' the operating system. If it had, there would be no problem but Windows PE installs XP-pro, 'believing' that there is a XP-home installed.

    In Windows PE, after deleting and recreating the partitions, if the F3 key is used to quit the installation, the computer will reboot from the install CD and this time Windows PE will detect an empty hard disk and not create a multi boot menu.

    I did not do what I believed that I was doing when using DELPART but Windows PE never saw the previous operating system!

    Have a look at False Dual Boot Option During POST (at RADIFIED) (reply #4 by Dan Goodell) which is my source.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

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    I forgot to comment on my own advice:

    I forgot that there is a pause after deleting and creating partitions during which F3 can be used to quit and get it to reboot. (After formating, there is no pause, the file copying process starts immediately.)

    I used DELPART becuse a Windows 98 start disk can not see NTFS partitions. Torcano's current file system is FAT32 and a format using a Windows 98 start disk would do the job. No need to 'complicate' things by introducing DELPART.

    Christer
     
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    McTavish

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    That’s interesting Christer, when I read what you said I considered how it could happen and I did think that the only way possible was as you described, but as I had never seen this myself I decided it was unlikely. (I’ve installed XP many dozens of times on all configurations of drives and partitions)

    I can confirm that it has nothing to do with the MBR. The only change WinNT makes to the MBR is the addition of the NT Disk Signature Number. I’ve played a lot with this and can’t say it has any impact during installing 2K/XP.

    I’m just setting up a clean hard drive to see this for myself and I’ll read that link and all the stuff it leads to as I have great respect for Dan Goodell.


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    It does not matter what file system the partitions are Christer, the MBR is separate and is the same if you have FAT, NTFS, or even Linux file systems. The fdisk/mbr command from the floppy will still work and write the standard Microsoft MBR. It will however delete the NT Disk Signature Number.

    Sorry, didn’t read your posts correctly. You can use the 98 startup floppy to delete the NTFS partition and then create a new one and format it
     
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    Torcano

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    Thanks for all your comments. I was hoping I could just reformat using the Windows XP disc because I had a problem downloading the 98 start up disc. When I went to the link, I saved the .exe program to my desktop. I then copied it onto a floppy disc. When I tried to open the icon from the floppy disc, it began self extracting but did not complete the process. Should I have opened the program while it was still on the desktop? I tried to boot the computer with the floppy drive and the unopened icon on it, but all I got was message about a non system disc error. Any idea why the program would not open? Any other suggetions where I can get a Windows 98 start up disc.
    Bob
     
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    Christer

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    McTavish,

    The only problem I have encountered is when using Ghost to clone one hard disk to another. If Windows XP is restarted (which Ghost does automatically if the user doesn't prevent it) with both disks connected, XP will change the Disk Signature on the clone (from which the system does not boot). When the original is taken out and the clone made the boot disk, it won't boot.

    So do I, I have learnt a lot from him!

    That's the usual recommendation to fix the clone in my example above, just put your Win98 start disk in and do a FDISK /MBR!

    However, other people recommend not to because FDISK writes a MBR for FAT32 partitions and the FIXMBR command in the XP Recovery Console writes a MBR for NTFS (if that's the file system).

    If the only (?) difference is the Disk Signature, I would think that Windows XP will rewrite the Disk Signature after a FDISK /MBR ...... :confused: ...... !

    I have tried deleting NTFS partitions, using a WinME floppy and that version of FDISK. Two partitions, a primary and an extended with a logical. I deleted the logical but was not allowed to delete the extended since there was still a logical within it (there was not). Neither was I allowed to delete the primary since there was still an extended (if I remember correctly).

    DELPART is actually a MS tool from the Windows NT 3.1 Resource Kit to remedy the 'short comings' of FDISK when the file system is NTFS.

    See DELPART and How to Manually Remove Windows NT or Windows 2000

    Bob,

    Yes, put the floppy in the drive and double click the file which will create the Win98 start disk.

    Christer
     
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    McTavish

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    Torcano…..If your XP CD had Service Pack2 included then I would go ahead and just delete the current partition during the XP setup and then recreate it and format it. This is a good walk-through of the process http://www.windowsreinstall.com/winxppro/installxpcdoldhdd/index.htm

    If you don’t have Service Pack 2 then once you have deleted the current partition, reboot the computer and then carry on and create the new partition and format, then install.

    Christer….Just installed XP Home original version, then deleted it from the XP Pro setup and installed Pro (with SP2 included) and I did not get the double entry in the boot.ini. I’m guessing the problem has been fixed with one of the service packs. I know the problem with XP assigning a drive letter to a Zip drive was fixed with one of the service packs, can’t remember now which one. I have Zip drives in both my machines.

    I’ll run it again tomorrow but this time I’ll use the original release of XP Pro.
     
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    Christer

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    McTavish,
    XP-pro SP2 here.

    Christer
     
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    McTavish

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    Hi Christer….I can’t get the dual boot option to appear.
    I took an old 20gig hard drive and deleted all the partitions only (not the MBR) then set it as the sole master hard drive and installed XP Home (no Service Packs) to the full size of the drive. Then used the XP Pro SP2 CD to delete the partition and install Pro to the whole drive again. No dual boot option and no double entry in the boot.ini file.

    Next I reinstalled XP Home by again deleting the Pro partition from the XP setup then recreated it and installed to the whole hard drive. Still nothing. Next I installed the original release of Pro in the same method but this time to just a 10gig partition from the start of the drive. Still nothing. In all occasions I never touched the MBR.

    I then installed a second copy of Pro to a second 10gig partition. I did not hide the first partition but left the XP install there fully visible. I did however alter what I believe to be the deciding factor on what determines if the ntloader sets up its dual boot configuration. The second install came out clean as the C: drive with no dual boot screen and no second entry in the boot.ini. The first install was in My Computer as the D: drive. Both installs are totally independent of each other with no crossed ntloader files.

    So it’s not an issue with pre service pack cds, and not as Dan surmised the PE environment remembering the OS even after the partition has been deleted. Reading his post it does sound like he is only speculating on the probable cause. It’s a reasonable assumption and as I said the only one I could think of as an explanation as I knew it had nothing to do with the MBR.

    The multiboot machines I set up are too complex for the MS ntloader so I had to find the way to ensure it never configured its own bootloader. It’s been a long time since I installed XP on a simple partition setup as in those tests, so I could not be sure the PE environment idea was not true.

    The deciding factor for 2K/XP setting up its bootloader is if the partition you are installing to is not the Active partition on the drive, but there is another partition that is set as the Active one. If the setup finds another partition that is the Active one and has a Windows operating system on there (or even if it is just a FAT or NTFS data partition) it will set up the ntloader to run from that Active partition and configure the bootloader. If that Active partition is not FAT or NTFS it will change the Active partition to being the one currently being installed to and in some cases add an entry in the boot.ini pointing to that previous Active partition.

    To install XP to that second 10gig partition all I did was create the partition with an other partitioning tool and set it as the Active one before I began the XP install, then pointed the install to it. The first install was then ignored.

    There are obviously other situations that can create a second entry in the boot.ini file, like a failed repair install. I don’t know Christer what has caused it with you, perhaps an unrecognised recovery partition, but in my experience it’s not the PE environment idea or the MBR.

    Sorry Torcano for taking over your thread.
     
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    Christer

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    McTavish,

    One of the computers was a HP Pavilion which had a recovery partition [C:] and a system partition [D:]. The original operating system was HP OEM XP-home. During the installation of a retail copy of XP-pro, I deleted the two partitions and created a single partition for the system, C: occupying 1/4 of the space. (The balance was partitioned from within XP-pro as an extended with two logicals.) It resultet in a multi boot menu.

    I don't remember the original setup of the second computer other than it was a Fujitsu-Siemens with XP-home.

    The reason I believe in Dan Goodells 'speculation' is that FDISK requires a reboot to get the partition tables right so, why not WinPE ...... :confused: ...... !

    Anyway, I've been there, done it and have the T-shirt and it has been the subject of a few threads on the Windows BBS (not initiated by me) indicating that it is not an isolated occurence.

    Please, do have a 'chat' with Dan over at RADIFIED ...... :cool: ...... I would follow it with great interest!

    Christer
     
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    McTavish

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    Cheers Christer,
    I’d love to get to the bottom of this as well and I’d certainly enjoy a chat with Dan, but unfortunately I’ve got to stop playing with computers for a while and get on with some proper work. I’ll take this up again when I have more time and I’ll certainly let you know if I find anything conclusive.
     
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    Christer

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    I searched 'Microsoft.com' and found Configuring a Hard Drive with Diskpart and Windows PE and I quote:

    When running Windows PE (not from an install CD) the system should be rebooted between creating partitions and formating partitions. My logic may be wrong but this indicates to me that this step is missing when running Windows PE from the install CD.

    Christer
     
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    Bob,
    don't abandon your thread, we are interested in news about your progress and information on which route you took!


    McTavish,
    At work, I was given a 160 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 PATA (ST3160023A) and I asked if it was new. The answer was 'almost', accompanied by a smile!

    Something to play with and I put it in my computer as Primary Master, in with the XP-pro install CD and started the fun. I expected no partitions but found C: = 152617 MB and unpartitioned space = 152633 MB ...... :confused: ...... that didn't add up to 160 GB!

    I deleted C: and hit F3 to quit and reboot. When I was back it showed unpartitioned space = 152617 MB and unpartitioned space = 152633 MB. I was even more ...... :confused: ...... !

    In went a floppy with DELPART and it showed 'MBR1' and a strange size. I found out that DELPART has the same size limit as FDISK and does not display the correct size above 64 GB. The size that was displayed was the correct size - 65536 MB. I deleted it.

    In went the XP-pro install CD and now it showed unpartitioned space = 152625 MB. I created a small system partition (20%) during setup and formated NTFS. (The balance was partitioned from within XP as a single extended with a single logical but I did not format.)

    When the installation was completed, I went back to DELPART. It showed 'MBR1 = 30522 MB' and 'MBR2 = 56567 MB' (56567 + 65536 = 122103 which is correct).

    I rebooted to the Xp-pro install CD, deleted all partitions and hit F3. I rebooted to DOS and DELPART and it showed no partitions.

    All this rambling to tell you that deleting the partitions and rebooting from the XP-pro install CD does the same job as DELPART.

    From my previous experience, it seems like formating or deleting without a reboot from the XP-pro install CD does not do the job. If that is due to the Windows PE 'remembering', I don't know but I tend to believe that it is (no disrespect).

    It also indicates that if something is not quite right, DELPART is the tool!

    Christer
     
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