UDMA Mode for Harddisk - How to set?

WinXP Home (SP2).

I just found a PC Wizard 2005 (Free utility). Located at:
http://www.cpuid.org/cpuz.php
Its like everest but i thing it gives more information.

Having a problem with SATA HD's speed slowing down (old thread). I have 2 SATA disk
installed. The characteristics are:

SMART : Version 1.1
IDE Controller : Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller
IDE Controller : Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller
>> Informations Hard Disk ST3200822AS
IDE Controller : Gammagraphx Inc
IDE Connector : #0 - Master Drive
Model : ST3200822AS
Serial Number : 5LJ05V2Y
Revision : 3.01
Support : ATA/ATAPI-6
Serial-ATA : Yes
Serial-ATA version : 1.0
Size : 200 GB
Cache : 8 192 KB
ECC Size : 4
Multiple Sector : 16
IORDY : Yes
LBA Mode : Yes
DMA Mode : Yes
Multiword DMA Mode : 2
PIO Mode : PIO 4
UDMA Mode max. : 6 (ATA-133)
UDMA Mode Enabled : 5 (ATA-100)
S.M.A.R.T. : Yes
Power Management : Yes
Acoustic Management : No
Security Mode : Yes
Write Cache : Yes
48-bit Address : Yes

And
Hard Disk ST3160023AS
IDE Controller : Gammagraphx Inc
IDE Connector : #0 - Master Drive
Model : ST3160023AS
Serial Number : 3JS0EFPE
Revision : 3.05
Support : ATA/ATAPI-6
Serial-ATA : Yes
Serial-ATA version : 1.0
Size : 160 GB
Cache : 8 192 KB
ECC Size : 4
Multiple Sector : 16
IORDY : Yes
LBA Mode : Yes
DMA Mode : Yes
Multiword DMA Mode : 2
PIO Mode : PIO 4
UDMA Mode max. : 6 (ATA-133)
UDMA Mode Enabled : 5 (ATA-100)
S.M.A.R.T. : Yes
Power Management : Yes
Acoustic Management : No
Security Mode : Yes
Write Cache : Yes
48-bit Address : Yes

The first HD shown is the bootable disk (200GB).
One confusing thing is that both disk are being shown as IDE Connector : #0 - Master Drive. Is this correct?

This wizard is showing UDMA Mode Enabled : 5 (ATA-100) but it also shows
UDMA Mode max. : 6 (ATA-133). How do i change the UDMA mode to ATA-133?

thanks,
savagcl

 

Hi Clif,

Those drives must be "driving" you CRAZY .

To change UDMA mode you usually need to use a utility from the HDD manufacturer. So check at Seagate website. (I'm not certain if SATA drives might be "special "??). You should also make sure that your motherboard ALSO supports the higher ATA.

I doubt if you will find a lot of speed gain. ATA 133s have not proven much faster than ATA 100s.

Matt

 

Only a "try ". Disable SMART in the BIOS. I have had problems with it. You can read it from Everest even though it is disabled or re-enable it if you think there may be something suspicious about your drive.

Another maybe. Have you looked around the Seagate website. Their FAQs may be general, but see if you can find something in their Knowledgebase.

Matt

 

Hi Mattman, Christer,

Its not a drive anymore, its a short walk to crazy.
Checked the intel site and they dont mention ATA-133 at all, just up to 100.
I looked for a "Smart" in my BIOS, but theres nothing about it to be found.
I pulled everything from Seagate (again) and will run it through my system.
Maybe this time it will show something.

Take a look at what EVEREST shows about my HD's.
ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Seagate
Hard Disk Name Barracuda 7200.7 SATA 200822
Form Factor 3.5 "
Formatted Capacity 200 GB
Disks 2
Recording Surfaces 4
Physical Dimensions 146.56 x 101.85 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 635 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.16 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 683 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Interface Serial-ATA/150
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB
Spin-Up Time 10 sec
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 6 (ATA-133)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Seagate
Hard Disk Name Barracuda 7200.7 SATA 160023
Form Factor 3.5 "
Formatted Capacity 160 GB
Disks 2
Recording Surfaces 4
Physical Dimensions 146.56 x 101.85 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 635 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.16 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 683 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Interface Serial-ATA/150
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB
Spin-Up Time 10 sec
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 6 (ATA-133)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)

Since EVEREST shows a Interface of Serial-ATA/150 and a Buffer-to-Host
Data Rate of 150 MB/s, maybe i should be looking at other components of
the system??? What would be the next thing to check along the path of HD
to screen?

My controller in device manager shows:
IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
pci bus 0, device 31, function 1

From EVEREST:
Processor
Bus 0, Device 30, Function 0 Intel 82801EB I/O Controller Hub 5 (ICH5)
Bus 0, Device 31, Function 1 Intel 82801EB ICH5 - ATA-100 IDE Controller
Bus 0, Device 31, Function 0 Intel 82801EB ICH5 - LPC Bridge
Bus 0, Device 31, Function 2 Intel 82801EB ICH5 - Serial-ATA/150 IDE

Thanks, Guys,
savagcl
(Clif)

 

Christer,

I have 2 primary and 2 secondary channels listed under the IDE ATA/ATAPI
controllers in addition to the 2 listed for Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers.
I'm using the Primary Master for a DVD and the Secondary Master
for a CD-RW.

From what i've seen about the SATA, i'm (not a hundred % sure) kinda
satidfied that the HD's are working as they should now. So i need to look
further down the chain of devices to see what else could be causing the
problem.

I have recently added a 30 inch monitor (HDTV-Ready), its great but the
seagate tools wont run now ( i tested them a couple weeks ago on the
old monitor and they half supported SATA). Their tools depend on a bootable
floppy (or CD) but this monitor wont recognize the signal as being correct.

Progress = The most important product and the least obtainable!!

thanks,
savagcl

 

Wow 30 ", do you have to sit on the other side of the room to see it all?
You are freaking me out a little there Clif . I cannot think of a connection between a boot disk/CD and the monitor. The graphics card, maybe.

The monitor is really only told what to do by the graphics card. Until Windows is loaded, a monitor is a monitor is a monitor, it just throws pictures onto the screen that the graphics card tells it to.

If you are running the monitor at high resolutions it may be putting a big strain on the graphics card (the graphics card has to tell the monitor what to put on the screen, if you are running at high resolutions the graphics card has a lot of work to do).

Actually this might well be the problem....everything has slowed down waiting for the graphics card to send signals to the monitor....a big IF . Anyway, it may be worth investigating the graphics card you have. (Also, I am wondering if the high resolutions may have partially "cooked" the graphics card.)

Any thoughts?

Matt

 

Mattman,

its a great monitor (westinghouse model LTV-30w2, cost about 1200.00). Great
for HDTV too plus i can watch normal channels in pip then use full screen when
something good is showing. All this with a click!
The only drawback is the resolution - max of 1280x768x32 but very usable for
games, etc. Works well with my nVidia 6600GT card. I dont suspect/see any
problems with graphics card.
I had the speed problem way before adding this monitor tho so i dont think its
having any effect on speed drop.
When booting up, i get asmall image on-screen saying "no signal detected" then
the PC takes control and boots normally. For the seagate boot, i get the normal
no signal detected msg then as it starts to read the boot (floppy), a different
msg appears about insufficient /unknown signal. This happens during the
readingof the floppy and when the floppy stops being read, a normal boot
into XP follows.

I will try getting the CD version of seagate tools and try it.

- My eyes are getting as old as i am thats why the 30 inches.... (but it
does look good).

thanks,
savagcl
(clif)

 

The 6600GT should be OK at that resolution, although I would monitor the temperatures ocassionally (there should be temperature utility that came with the drivers).

It is still somewhat strange that you cannot run the boot disk programs and I would not totally rule out something about the graphics card effecting the whole system.

Matt

 

Mattman,

I'll run the system through PCPitStop and see if they spot anything.

BTY, Seagate support says the disk is within spec! (But they do not explain
why the slow down - the battle begins....

savagcl

 

Sorry for the long post, i cut it as much as possible.

I got the cd version of seagate tools to run. Ran the full set of test.
This is what it showed:

SeaTools Desktop v3.00.07
Copyright (c) 2004 Kroll Ontrack Inc.5/11/2005 @ 7:39 PM
The following information has been generated by SeaTools Desktop. Use
this information to help you recognize and resolve potential data access
problems.

System Information:
BIOS Date 04/21/04
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 1046436 K
IO Channel type PCI
Diagnostic Results:
System Memory Test Result: Passed
========================================================
SeaTools Desktop v3.00.07
Copyright (c) 2004 Kroll Ontrack Inc.5/11/2005 @ 7:39 PM
System Information:
BIOS Date 04/21/04
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 1046436 K
IO Channel type PCI
Diagnostic Results:
System Memory Test Result: Passed
========================================================
SeaTools Desktop v3.00.07
Copyright (c) 2004 Kroll Ontrack Inc.5/11/2005 @ 7:39 PM
The following information has been generated by SeaTools Desktop. Use
this information to help you recognize and resolve potential data access
problems.
System Information:
BIOS Date 04/21/04
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 1046436 K
IO Channel type PCI
Diagnostic Results:
Basic Controller Test Result: Unsupported
========================================================
SeaTools Desktop v3.00.07
Copyright (c) 2004 Kroll Ontrack Inc.5/11/2005 @ 7:39 PM
The following information has been generated by SeaTools Desktop. Use
this information to help you recognize and resolve potential data access
problems.

System Information:
BIOS Date 04/21/04
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 1046436 K
IO Channel type PCI
Drive Information:
SIZE MODEL
--------- ---------------------
160 GB ST3160023AS
Serial Number = 3JS0EFPE
Int13 Num = 81, PHYS CHS = 16383x16x63.
ParmTable CHS, Rsvd = 19457x255x63

PARTITION CYLINDER SIZE
---------- ------------ ----
# Type Start End MB
PRIMARY
1 NTFS 0 5098 41943 EXTENDED
2 NTFS 5099 10197 41943 EXTENDED
3 NTFS 10198 14659 36703 EXTENDED
4 NTFS 14660 19456 39459 Diagnostic Results:
Seagate DiagATA Quick Test Result: Passed
Recommendation:
The "Quick Test" is adequate for most situations.
Consider running the "Full Test" which
verifies each sector on the drive if you need to run a more
comprehensive diagnostic.

Results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
DIAGATA.EXE Version 3.07.40526ML
Copyright (c) 2002 by Seagate Technology, LLC. All rights reserved.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Timer Resolution: 0.000122
Short Test Begin: 11-May-2005 18:23:50
Cable Test - 0 Errors
Buffer Test - 0 Errors
Identify Data
Model Number: ST3160023AS
Serial Number: 3JS0EFPE
Firmware Revision: 3.05
Default CHS: 16383-16-63
Current CHS: 16383-16-63
Current Capacity: 16514064 Sectors
Total Capacity: 312581808 Sectors
ID Method: Unknown
SMART Check: Passed
DST - Passed
PIO/DMA Data Compare
Total Bytes = 7308288
Estimated PIO Transfer Rates
Min: 2.26MB/s Max: 2.34MB/s Avg: 2.30MB/s
Estimated DMA Transfer Rates
Min: 65.40MB/s Max: 109.00MB/s Avg: 80.87MB/s
SMART Check: Passed
Short Test Passed: 11-May-2005 18:24:28
-----------------------------------------------------------------
End results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI

ATA Full Test Result: Passed
Results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
DIAGATA.EXE Version 3.07.40526ML
Copyright (c) 2002 by Seagate Technology, LLC. All rights reserved.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Timer Resolution: 0.000122
Long Test Begin: 11-May-2005 18:24:29
Cable Test - 0 Errors
Buffer Test - 0 Errors
Identify Data
Model Number: ST3160023AS
Serial Number: 3JS0EFPE
Firmware Revision: 3.05
Default CHS: 16383-16-63
Current CHS: 16383-16-63
Current Capacity: 16514064 Sectors
Total Capacity: 312581808 Sectors
ID Method: Unknown
SMART Check: Passed
Full Scan (0 to 312581808) - Passed
Elapsed Time: 1.24 Hours
Estimated Internal Transfer Rates
Min: 3.96Mb/s Max: 475.41Mb/s Avg: 300.88Mb/s
PIO/DMA Data Compare
Total Bytes = 21826560
Estimated PIO Transfer Rates
Min: 2.35MB/s Max: 2.43MB/s Avg: 2.40MB/s
Estimated DMA Transfer Rates
Min: 73.41MB/s Max: 146.82MB/s Avg: 77.55MB/s
Long Test Passed: 11-May-2005 19:38:49
-----------------------------------------------------------------
End results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI

File Structure Test Result:
Partition 1 (NTFS (41.9 GB) G) Result: Failed with critical Errors
Partition 2 (NTFS (41.9 GB) H) Result: Failed with critical Errors
Partition 3 (NTFS (36.7 GB) I) Result: Failed with critical Errors
Partition 4 (NTFS (39.4 GB) J) Result: Failed with critical Errors
******************************************
Recommendation:
All selected physical diagnostics passed.

========================================================
SeaTools Desktop v3.00.07
System Information:
BIOS Date 04/21/04
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 1046436 K
IO Channel type PCI

Drive Information:
SIZE MODEL
--------- ---------------------
200 GB ST3200822AS
Serial Number = 5LJ05V2Y
Int13 Num = 80, PHYS CHS = 16383x16x63.
ParmTable CHS, Rsvd = 24321x255x63

PARTITION CYLINDER SIZE
---------- ------------ ----
# Type Start End MB
PRIMARY
1 NTFS 0 3267 26881 EXTENDED
2 NTFS 3268 8527 43275 EXTENDED
3 NTFS 8529 14573 49733 EXTENDED
4 NTFS 14575 24320 80168
Diagnostic Results:
Seagate DiagATA Quick Test Result: Passed
Recommendation:
The "Quick Test" is adequate for most situations.
Consider running the "Full Test" which
verifies each sector on the drive if you need to run a more
comprehensive diagnostic.

Results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
DIAGATA.EXE Version 3.07.40526ML
Copyright (c) 2002 by Seagate Technology, LLC. All rights reserved.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Timer Resolution: 0.000122
Short Test Begin: 11-May-2005 17:07:23
Cable Test - 0 Errors
Buffer Test - 0 Errors
Identify Data
Model Number: ST3200822AS
Serial Number: 5LJ05V2Y
Firmware Revision: 3.01
Default CHS: 16383-16-63
Current CHS: 16383-16-63
Current Capacity: 16514064 Sectors
Total Capacity: 390721968 Sectors
ID Method: Unknown
SMART Check: Passed
DST - Passed
PIO/DMA Data Compare
Total Bytes = 8666112
Estimated PIO Transfer Rates
Min: 2.28MB/s Max: 2.35MB/s Avg: 2.31MB/s
Estimated DMA Transfer Rates
Min: 77.89MB/s Max: 97.37MB/s Avg: 93.02MB/s
SMART Check: Passed
Short Test Passed: 11-May-2005 17:08:01
-----------------------------------------------------------------
End results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI

ATA Full Test Result: Passed
Results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
DIAGATA.EXE Version 3.07.40526ML
Copyright (c) 2002 by Seagate Technology, LLC. All rights reserved.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Timer Resolution: 0.000122
Long Test Begin: 11-May-2005 17:08:03
Cable Test - 0 Errors
Buffer Test - 0 Errors
Identify Data
Model Number: ST3200822AS
Serial Number: 5LJ05V2Y
Firmware Revision: 3.01
Default CHS: 16383-16-63
Current CHS: 16383-16-63
Current Capacity: 16514064 Sectors
Total Capacity: 390721968 Sectors
ID Method: Unknown
SMART Check: Passed
Full Scan (0 to 390721968) - Passed
Elapsed Time: 1.23 Hours
Estimated Internal Transfer Rates
Min: 47.78Mb/s Max: 610.90Mb/s Avg: 377.72Mb/s
PIO/DMA Data Compare
Total Bytes = 22108160
Estimated PIO Transfer Rates
Min: 2.36MB/s Max: 2.42MB/s Avg: 2.40MB/s
Estimated DMA Transfer Rates
Min: 89.09MB/s Max: 118.79MB/s Avg: 92.84MB/s
Long Test Passed: 11-May-2005 18:22:12
-----------------------------------------------------------------
End results from Seagate's DiagATA/SCSI

File Structure Test Result:
Partition 1 (NTFS (26.8 GB) ) Result: Failed with critical Errors
Partition 2 (NTFS (43.2 GB) No Name) Result: Failed with critical Errors
Partition 3 (NTFS (49.7 GB) No Name) Result: Failed with critical Errors
Partition 4 (NTFS (80.1 GB) F) Result: Failed with critical Errors

NOTE: Any report of possible errors in the file system tests are for
informational purposes only. We suggest you should consider testing with
the official file system diagnostic utilities for your operating system.
Seagate is not able to assist with troubleshooting or reviewing
file system test results.
******************************************
Recommendation:
All selected physical diagnostics passed.

========================================================
My reply to Seagate:
What i'm seeing:
Basic Controller Test Results = Unsupported (?)

All Partitions failed.

I am not trying to find fault with the HD's but trying to
determine 2 things (so i can fix it, whatever the problem).
1. Are the HD's operating in SATA mode (vs some other mode)?
2. The reason for the increase in seek timing for the drives:
Original HD from Gateway: 160GB, Seek time was 8.5 - now 13.4
Original "Average Read" 120MB/s - now 45.3
New Seagate HD: 200GB, Seek time 13.4, Average Read = 54.4

The figures (above) just seem to be getting slower and slower as
time passes. Three months from now, i'll probably be near ATA-33
speed.

Hopefully their next response will have a few more details.

savagcl

 

Mattman,

Good advice about the video drivers!
I reloaded them and got an increase. Still not where it was on Apr 24 but
better than 77MB's

PCPitStop results:
Date.........CPU........RAM.........Video
.......Speed.....Speed......Speed
.......(MIPS)....(MB/s)......(MB/s)
May 11......5293......7383........117 (After reloading video driver.)
May 11......5149......7140........77 (before reloading video driver.)
Apr 24.......5366......7415........127 ( 10 fps diff probably due to new drivers
I hope).


Date.......Drive......Disk Speed
...........................(MB/s)
May 11.....C:...........53
Apr 24......C:...........54
May 11.....D:...........50
Apr 24......D:...........51
May 11.....E:...........52
Apr 24......E:...........51
May 11.....F:...........45
Apr 24......F:...........44
May 11.....G:...........54
Apr 24......G:...........52
May 11.....H:...........49
Apr 24......H:...........49
May 11.....I:............44
Apr 24......I:............44
May 11.....J:............35
Apr 24......J:............33

Thanks for the tip about the video!!!!!
savagcl

 

PCpitstop was your idea Clif. I thought it was a beauty. Thank yourself!

The Seagate tests passed, but did not like the file system. Have you run chkdisk?

As you have heard me say in your other threads "I hope it's not a Gateway thing" . After becoming the world's formost expert on drive speed and your system still going slower (it is getting worse and worse which would say to me that it is software rather than hardware or maybe the way the software controls the hardware). Consider getting a new motherboard. Find out the "form factor" of the current one, eg. a micro ATX, and replace it. It might be the "Gateway Blues" we are singing.

Matt
Edit: If you decide on a new motherboard, you will need to find out the details of your CPU, also the RAM if it is not the standard DDR.

 

Mattman,

A new MB is not on my (money) plate at this time (but i'll keep it in the front
of my mind). Spent a lot already this year, my better half would scalp me.

Christer,

Yes, same HdTach program used throughout.

Seagates reply (at least response was in good time):
Results from the Seatools test appear correct and are repporting the drive
to be correct.
The error regarding the failure of the Files Structure test are valid
(Failed) because on NTFS partitions that do no support the file structure
test.

Are they saying that they do not support NTFS?
savagcl