shutdown problem with Kerio installed

I am running Win98SE, I have Adaware, SpyBot, Spyware Blaster and AVG installed. I installed Kerio Personal Firewall Friday night to try it out. I like the program and want to continue to use it, but with it installed my system will not shutdown. When I click on start, shutdown, the machine simply reboots (and yes, shutdown is checked in the shutdown options). When I uninstall it, the machine shuts down properly. I have it installed on my wife's WinXP Pro machine and it works just fine.

Has anyone experienced this problem before or have any idea what might be causing it? I like the simple interface and ease of use, but I can't continue to use it on my machine until this problem is resolved. Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions would be appreciated.

Bill

 

Try disabling the firewall before you shut down.

 

Shadowhawk,

I appreciate your response, but I'm not sure I understand the reason behind it.

I'm pretty sure KPF is causing my shutdown problem, which I consider to be a problem with the software.

I'm wondering if it doesn't play nice with AVG in a Win98 environment?

 

Hello Bill,

I think what Shadowhawk means is to find out definitively whether it is Kerio, disable it before shutdown. If there is some question as to whether it conflicts with AVG, experiment, disable AVG with Kerio enabled and go thru the shutdown and vice versa...you get the idea.

Regards - Charles

 

This doesn't say Kerio Personal but may apply. I seem to remember something about this when I was running 98se with Kerio.

Also you might do a search on this forum for Win 98se shutdown problems. As I remember, there are a lot of reasons for 98se to not shut down properly.

 

Good point. Another troubleshooting resource on 98 shutdown http://aumha.org/win4/a/shtdwnme.htm Click on 98 in the left pane.

Regards - Charles

 

First, thanks to all that have responded.

I decided to try some things to see what would happen. I reinstalled Kerio, and on the first shutdown following the install, the PC rebooted instead shutting down. When I disable AVG, same thing. When I disable or uninstall KPF, no more shutdown problem. My system has been stable for quite some time now, at least until the Kerio install. With it, it doesn't shutdown, without it, shutdown is normal.

I'm looking for firewall software to propagate across all the machines in my home network, and since some of them are running Win98, it doesn't look like Kerio will be my choice. I'm going to give Zone Alarm a try next, according to this site it's the best out there. Opinions do vary of course, depending on who you ask.

http://www.personal-firewall-softwa...tware&OVKEY=firewall software&OVMTC=standard#

 

Hi Bill,

If you're going with ZA Pro, here is a site set up by one the ZA forum gurus http://don.hoover.net/index.html

Lot of info on configuring and what the settings mean and how to use them. While I really like ZAP, its one of the two firewalls I use, on WinME - Sygate on XP, the advanced rule making GUI can to be intimidating to neophytes. The privacy settings also can appear to be overly complicated - but once mastered, they are IMO the best.

Regards - Charles

 

Hi Charles,

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Any reason you are using Sygate on XP? I looked at the Sygate software also online. I started to download it and try it out until I found the site with the ratings.

Thanks,

Bill

 

Hi Bill,

For a number of reasons.

One, the differences between XP and 9X, meaning that on XP the only resource limitition is RAM, I can run "layered" defenses, so that I don't necessarily need all the options in ZA Pro, while on WinMe, ZA becomes, aside from a very tightly configured Browser, the main defense. I dual boot, same hardware, but boy what a difference.

The Sygate version that I use is the free one, which still gives me the ability to make advanced rules - IP/Port blocking and so forth, and as far as the firewall function itself, the top tier firewalls are all effective, its the add-ons and ease of use that sets them apart.

The two biggest parts of that "layered" defense is one, Proxomitron, which is a "proxy" filtering program. It front-ends the Browser and filters web sites with html coded filters that the user can add to or modify - I can for instance, toggle java script blocking on/off. The option for this kind of blocking of Java and java script can be done with ZA Pro either generally with site exceptions or the other way around, blocking sites and accepted generally.

The second part of the layered defense is a "software" firewall - System Safety Monitor. Any process or app execution has to have permission from me. It will intercept OS calls - for instance XP's auto defrag. So like a regular firewall, asks on initial execute and until permission withdrawn, won't ask again. There are options to deny just once - permit just once, and so on. It will also alert if a different version. The only other program like this is Process Guard by the Trojan Defense Suite people.

Another reason for running two different firewalls is - I visit mainly the same sites and I get experience and cross-checking with two different firewalls. I treat AV's the same way, with the added benefit that I can scan with either AV the other OS.

I apologize if this is more than you ever wanted know, your question made me think about all this again.

Regards - Charles

 

Hi Charles,

Wow, that is a lot, very good information though. A lot of things that I had not even thought about. So far ZA seems to be working just fine. I haven't had a chance to put it on my wife's machine and remove Kerio yet, but I hope to do that tonight. It seems to be pretty easy to use and setup. If it continues to perform well I'll probably purchase it.

Thanks again for the reply and information.


Bill