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Replace Drive in Multiboot System

Discussion in 'Legacy Windows' started by Tom In Dallas, 2005/01/17.

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  1. 2005/01/17
    Tom In Dallas

    Tom In Dallas Inactive Thread Starter

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    I have a system with 2 physical drives that boots W98 and two W2ks (C,D,G). I thought the C drive was the primary boot drive. I have W98 there with the boot.ini file. I had installed the W2ks after installing W98. My second (30 gig MAXTOR) physical drive (D, I, J) is giving me SMART messages for imminent failure. I got a MAXTOR 60g drive to replace this with. I partitioned the new drive with the utility provided, telling the utility the drive was not a boot drive. After I ghosted-back the D Drive and tried to reboot, I got a message saying "Invalid Boot Drive" and the system would not boot. So I re-installed my imminently-to-fail drive, everything still works as before.

    I had told the system D was not a boot drive because it was my (probably erroneous) impression that it did not matter and since (I thought) C was the boot drive I did not want the CMOS to think differently to where I couldn't fix things back.

    Am I going to have to reinstall one or more OSs from scratch to replace this physical drive? How worried should I be about SMART messages? I got these messages about 3 months ago and bought the drive, then they mysteriously stopped. I am running the drive maintenance tools. Does my partition have to be EXACTLY the same size to make the ghost restore work right? Why shouldn't GHOST work fine on different physical drives? Will backing up without compression make any difference? The D drives with both new and old drives are about 10 gig. The size may not be PRECISELY
    the same.

    Or, should I rerun the config utility, telling the system that D is a (the?) boot drive, even then install W98 or W2k on it, before ghosting back my existing W2k?

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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    Hi Tom,

    That's a very interesting question. Please describe how you "ghosted-back the D Drive ", image a partition? image a disk? or clone a drive? Since this is really about ghosting I'll try to see if the moderator can expand the title of your query. Hopefully that will attract the ghost 'gurus' here.
     

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    Tom In Dallas

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    Sparrow,
    Thanks for replying! I have always used the Image-a-partition option in Ghost. I am using Ghost 2001. My procedure is to make an image of the partition and store the result in a partition of the other physical drive. This I learned by reading the guides at Radified.com, which I recommend. IAW that site's recommendations, I always execute the image check.

    It was just recommended to me on the phone that (1) I make an image of my entire drive to be replaced, (2) put the new hard drive back in, (3) tell the config utility to remove the partitions and format (he thinks but is not sure this step is necessary), (4) restore the ghost drive image to the new drive. This person said it will ask me if I want to add the additional (30gb) space to my last partition, which I of course would wish to do.

    I am not going to try this, for now, pending remarks from the BBS-experts.

    I am learning what the difference is between imaging a disk and cloning a drive. Apparently cloning means you never make an image but just hook both old and replacement drives up and tell ghost to copy one to the other. I found this warning in another thread:

    "Anyway, Ghost 2003 can do a Disk to Disk clone. That procedure will clone all data from one to the other.

    "Ghost will maintain the ratio of the partition sizes but gives You the option to resize any partition which is probably what You want if You go from a 10 GB HDD to a 120 GB HDD. Make sure that You choose the correct sizes for the partitions. The added sizes can not be higher than the total HDD size and if lower, You will end up with unallocated space.

    "Connect the new HDD as Primary Slave for the cloning operation but it is very important to NOT LET GHOST RESET THE COMPUTER when finished. That would mix up the volume identifiers for Windows. Two HDDs with the same identifiers would be on the system and Windows would change them on the cloned HDD, from which Windows currently doesn't boot, rendering it non-bootable.

    "So, when Ghost prompts for a reboot, shut the computer off on the power switch, remove the old HDD and connect the new HDD as Primary Master. Restart the computer and check that everything is OK. "

    It appears the operative term for me here is "Ghost 2003" since I only have Ghost 2001. But I have enough free space to store a disk image, particularly since except for the primary partition I have largely migrated out the contents. And I would think that with a drive image restore I will not have to worry about the reset problem.

    Thanks,

    Tom
     
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    Christer

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    Hi Tom!

    It was I who wrote what You quote from the other thread. I have used Ghost 2001 and apart from a few minor (?) updates it should be the same as Ghost 2003. The biggest difference is the ability of 2003 to store images on a NTFS partition which 2001 can't. If I remember correctly, 2001 has Disk to Disk cloning and that would be the way to go for You. What I'm unsure about is how it handles differing harddisk sizes.

    I still have the old NSW 2001 CD. I will go get it and check for a manual.

    I have an old laptop for experimental purposes. It runs WinME but it doesn't matter. I can install Ghost 2001 on it to check out the differences.

    It will be a while, though. Right now, I'm short of time but maybe later tonight or early tomorrow (I'm ahead of You in Dallas by six hours, I guess) will I get around to it.

    Christer
     
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    Christer

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    Well, I didn't find the CD where it should be. I probably binned it since I didn't expect to need it anymore.

    My motherboard came with Norton Ghost 6.03 bundled on the driver CD. I checked and it does have Disk to Disk cloning and the option to resize partitions. Ghost 2001 is a later version (6.5) so I'm pretty sure that You can do a DtD and resize any partition.

    Make sure to not let Ghost restart the computer when the task is completed. Shut down on the power switch, take out the failing harddisk and connect the cloned harddisk in its place before restarting the computer.

    A few comments:

    Step (3) is not necessary. Whatever is on the drive will be overwritten by Ghost, boot records, data and everything else.

    Step (4) will probably be the same as when cloning DtD, You get the opportunity to resize partitions.

    Correct, if the failing drive is removed before You restore the image to the new drive. If the old is still there, it will be the same problem.

    Actually, a Disk to Disk is less prone to trouble since it only involves one step. A Disk to Image and a subsequent Image to Disk is a two step procedure (not counting the integrity check) and You have increased the probability of something going wrong with 100%.

    The reset problem really isn't a problem, just a step that Symantec should have clarified. When the dialog box appears, just shut down on the power switch.

    Christer
     
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    Tom In Dallas

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    Success.

    The disk-to-disk clone worked fine. Since they were different sizes, I had no problem being assured I selected correctly (didn't get Disk1 and Disk2 mixed up). The only checklist item omitted from our discussion was that when I substituted the new disk for Disk1, prior to cloning Disk2, I had to set the jumper to master (then reset to slave when installing as Disk2).

    I am continuing to use Ghost 2001 even though I have a free copy somewhere of 2002. 2001 does not require the input of any code numbers each time to unlock it.

    Thanks, guys! :D

    Tom
     
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    Christer

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    Great news, Tom ...... :) ...... !

    Didn't think of that. I run all my devices in Cable Select which means that they can be shuffled around without a thought!

    Neither does 2003. My guess is that Symantec had to take a lot of heat for that annoyance in 2002.

    Christer
     
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