Re-installed XP (again)

Getting pretty good at the re-installs. Its the customizing thats a pain!
Anyway, Sandra still says my HD isn't working up to optimal.

I have a Gateway P4, 3.0 GHz with HT and 1024 megmem and heres
the problem(?)

(Copied from a previous post)
FROM SANDRA:
Transfer Modes Support:
Maximum block transfer = 16
Transfer width = 16 bit
Max PIO Mode = PIO-4
Max DMA MW Mode = MWDMA-2
Max UDMA Mode = UDMA-6

Transfer Modes Active:
Current block transfer = 16
Current Active Mode = UDMA-5

And SANDRA gives a warning that: Current mode not optimal, check settings.

How do i check (change?) settings? Any takers?

 

I think this will be more of a hardware issue and I'm moving it from XP to hardware.

 

Pete - right on the money. At least right church, perhaps wrong pew (but I think you nailed it with not supported). However, if his MB does support UDMA 6 , then he's got a HDD that doesn't - perhaps a WD? If so, do we have a glitch in SiSoft or is the drive mfg a little less than honest. hehehe .........

 

OK, Guys, here it is. NEWT, Sorry for the wrong catagory (but not sure if
it Hardware or software).

Pete, A nice little program, that Everest. Works great.

Heres the info you wanted to look at. Both HD and MB info from Everest.
From what i can tell, my sys "should" be capable of up-to 150mb but as i
see sandra reports only 85mb.....

Report (from Everest):
--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003, 2004 Lavalys, Inc. ]-----------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v1.10.106
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Quick Report
Computer GATEWAY-ROHW5RC
Generator Owner
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2004-05-21
Time 07:39


--------[ ATA ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ ST3160023AS (3JS0EFPE) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID ST3160023AS
Serial Number 3JS0EFPE
Revision 3.05
Parameters 310101 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 312581808
Buffer 8 MB
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 6 (ATA-133)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 152628 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Not Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Not Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Not Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Seagate
Hard Disk Name Barracuda 7200.7 SATA 160023
Form Factor 3.5 "
Formatted Capacity 160 GB
Disks 2
Recording Surfaces 4
Physical Dimensions 146.56 x 101.85 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 635 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.16 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 683 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Interface Serial-ATA/150
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB
Spin-Up Time 10 sec

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Seagate Technology LLC
Product Information http://www.seagate.com/products

--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003, 2004 Lavalys, Inc. ]-----------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v1.10.106
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Quick Report
Computer GATEWAY-ROHW5RC
Generator Owner
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2004-05-21
Time 07:46


--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 64-0100-000001-00101111-042803-iSPGDL_G$BZ875001
Motherboard Name Intel Bonanza D875PBZ

Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel NetBurst
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 200 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 800 MHz
Bandwidth 6400 MB/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type Dual DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 200 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 400 MHz
Bandwidth 6400 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel Hub Interface
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 5 PCI, 1 AGP
RAM Slots 4 DIMM
Integrated Devices LAN
Form Factor ATX
Motherboard Size 240 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset i875P

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/index.htm
BIOS Download http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/genbios.htm

(2 heads are smarter than 1 but only if 1 is not empty!

And, Thanks for the help,
savagcl

 

Pete was slam on - Page 31 of your manual references "theoretical" SATA speeds of 150mbs but is hazy re: actual. Your regular IDE headers are limited to 100 which is a notch below state of the art and I think it might be safe to assume that your serial ATA ports may also be a notch below state of the art. Trust me, you as a user are not going to notice any difference what so ever and thus your question can be moved into the realm of intellectual curiosity. Of more importance to your performance equation, may be your hard drive seek speed.

 

Rockster2u,

Which manual are you referring to? My manual (from GW) page 31 is a
chapter heading page.

I posted this because i did notice a drop in speed (effeciency) after the re-install. It is quite apparent (to me) that something is "not as it was ", so to speak.

I really dont expect to get 150mb p/s (would be nice tho, wouldn't it). but a 85mb is definately slower than what i was getting. Altho the reason is beyond me (so far). I do expect a $2200.00 machine to run at it best
however.

I need to apply some updates but not until i get a copy of Acronis Disk Image up and running. Dont want to have to do another re-install.

Hopefully, the updates will help the Serial ATA but the only way (i know of) to change the seek timing is to get a faster HD......

thanks for your input,
savagcl

 

Have you installed the chipset drivers? http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009242.htm
I have to install the Intel Application Accelerator also on my laptop or my DVD/CDRW is PIO.

 

Maggie,
I had them D/L'ed and install on the first re-install of XP. Didn't see
any difference at all.

Wouldn't hurt to do it again (after i get a good image of my HD saved.

thanks,

 

Just make sure the chipset drivers are installed first.

 

Move over Pete, Maggie's earned a seat in the same pew. Clif - you coulda, woulda, shouda installed em' first thing.

As to the manual, just followed the link right out of your post to Intel and went to your mb manual - maybe 3 clicks away.

 

Thanks for the help, guys (and Maggie too).
Unfortunately, i'm installing from some cd's that came with the system
(not a true xp cd from MS). The whole process of installing from these
CD's is completely automated. I just replace the cd when it tells me to.
So i have to assume (i really hate that word "assume ") that all is installed
correctly. Thats why i initially thought there was something that they did
during the factory setup that maybe wasn't included on the cd's.

I'll look for the users guide.

 

Little different story then ........ but you should still check Intel (MoBo Mfg) for updated drivers that may have been released after your image discs were produced. Now, if you don't run at least as good as you did when it was brand spanking new, then you'll have to come back for more.

 

Yes, i can do that for sure.

Just got the acronis disk image software so should be able to get that
working shortly.
Then its time to start updating. Will keep this thread updated on
progress and once again, thanks for all the help.

Stay tuned - Chapter 2 starts soon.

 

Not sure I followed the Acronis comment - Gateway uses Drive Image, thats the image I was referencing but regardless, good luck. Listen to Maggie ....

 

Hope I'm on the right trail (pew ) here:

Seagate "Ultra ATA Mode Switching Utility ":
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/utils.html
Read any support material.

May at least give you some info about the system.

Matt

 

Yes, some good info there and just enough of a threat (caution, your HD may become unaccessable). to scare me off.

The seagate tools did nothing except tell me my HD is ok but it did confirm
the 83mb speed.

The more i dig into this, the more i'm convinced that i need to get a local
expert in to look at it and see what can be done (if anything).

This is definately not a problem for a novice. Everything i look at, i just get
more confused. Think i need to back off and give my brain a rest.
But, hey, at least it does work.

Thanks for all the assistance. And if anything happens, i'll be sure to post
it here.

Again, thanks,

 

OK then a couple of other questions - are you running SMART drive monitoring? If yes, turn it off. Can you or have you set that drive for DMA.

I noticed on a Seagate page that their bigger SATA's are advertised to run at either 100 or 150mbs transfer rates - how they are to be set - beats me.

Go to PCPitstop and run a profile - post your score if you are brave and check out what they rate your drive speed to be.

 

I think "SMART" is turned on. I dont know how to turn it off.
I can do the pcpitstop thing. I'm already registered there. Will post
relevant results here.
For now, Here is some stuff from my system CP and the specs of my HD.
Hope you can read it.

Heres what i'm reading in CP>SYSTEM>IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers


Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllersriver>Driver (provider=Intel, dated=1/15/2003, version=5.0.1007.0
Driver Details:C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\atapi.sys
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\pciide.sys
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\pciidex.sys

Intel(R) 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllersriver>Driver (provider=Intel, dated=1/15/2003, version=5.0.1007.0
Driver Details:C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\atapi.sys
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\pciide.sys
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\pciidex.sys

(Note: First primary Channel settings)
Primary IDE Channel: Device Type=IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Manufacture=Standard IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Location=Primary Channel
Advanced Settingsevice= 0
Device Type= Auto Detection (this is greyed out)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= PIO Mode

Device= 1
Device Type= Auto Detection (not greyed out here)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Not Applicable

(Note: Second primary Channel settings)
Primary IDE Channel: Device Type=IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Manufacture=Standard IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Location=Primary Channel
Advanced Settingsevice= 0
Device Type= Auto Detection (this is greyed out)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Ultra DMA Mode 2

Device= 1
Device Type= Auto Detection (not greyed out here)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Ultra DMA Mode 2

(Note: First Secondary Channel settings)
Primary IDE Channel: Device Type=IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Manufacture=Standard IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Location=Secondary Channel
Advanced Settingsevice= 0
Device Type= Auto Detection (this is greyed out)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Ultra DMA Mode 2

Device= 1
Device Type= Auto Detection (this is greyed out here)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Ultra DMA Mode 2

(Note: Second Secondary Channel settings)
Second IDE Channel: Device Type=IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Manufacture=Standard IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers
Location=Secondary Channel
Advanced Settingsevice= 0
Device Type= Auto Detection (not greyed out here)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Not applicable

Device= 1
Device Type= Auto Detection (not greyed out here)
Transfer Mode= DMA if available
Current Transfer Mode= Not applicable

Here is the HD Specs:
[ ST3160023AS (3JS0EFPE) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID ST3160023AS
Serial Number 3JS0EFPE
Revision 3.05
Parameters 310101 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 312581808
Buffer 8 MB
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 4
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 6 (ATA-133)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Unformatted Capacity 152628 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Not Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Not Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Not Supported
48-bit LBA Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Seagate
Hard Disk Name Barracuda 7200.7 SATA 160023
Form Factor 3.5 "
Formatted Capacity 160 GB
Disks 2
Recording Surfaces 4
Physical Dimensions 146.56 x 101.85 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 635 g
Average Rotational Latency 4.16 ms
Rotational Speed 7200 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 683 Mbit/s
Average Seek 8.5 ms
Interface Serial-ATA/150
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s
Buffer Size 8 MB
Spin-Up Time 10 sec

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Seagate Technology LLC
Product Information http://www.seagate.com/products


--------[ SMART ]------------------------

[ ST3160023AS (3JS0EFPE) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 6 57 54 167644046 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 0 96 96 0 OK: Always passing
04 Start/Stop Count 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 36 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 30 81 60 130416920 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 98 98 2520 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 97 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 20 99 99 1338 OK: Value is normal
C2 Temperature 0 42 52 42 OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 57 54 167644046 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 3 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 3 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing

thanks,