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Discussion in 'Other PC Software' started by hawk22, 2003/06/19.

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  1. 2003/06/19
    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi,
    I wonder if there is a way to bring back (restore my photos). For some reason, I don’t know if it happened after a crash or not, but just recently I was to download photos from our Olympus Digital Camera onto the PC and on trying to load the Olympus Software (Camedia Master 4.0) the program will not fully load the Menu will not display on the Screen and therefore I am unable to access the previously downloaded photos. I attempted to reload the software but after inserting the Software CD a dialog box comes up asking if I want to completely delete all files and I am concerned that if I do I will never be able to restore anything and all hope of getting the photos back will be lost.
    When attempting to load the software the Camedia Screen opens on the Desktop minus the Menu when moving the Pointer onto the free space on the Desktop the hourglass will stay on indefinitely.
    Not sure if this is related or not, but sometimes on booting the PC some Icons on the Desktop have changed i.e. (the Icon for MS Power Point will take the face of the Media Player and so on.)
     
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  2. 2003/06/19
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    Hi Hawk,

    No real cause for panic on this one :)

    The images you previously downloaded are on your hard drive - I guess they are jpeg files, and should be safe. My guess is that the installer for Camedia is asking to delete all the program files, not your image files.

    However to be on the safe side copy all your image files to another folder - on a different partition if you have more than one, or burn them to CD.

    It sounds as if the Camedia software has become corrupted - possibly after a crash and is hanging. I would go to Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs and remove it from there. Then re-install after a cold boot. Removing a program rarely, if ever, takes data with it.

    Re. your icons showing incorrectly it looks like the icons are in need of 'repair', Download TweakuiXP , hit the 'Repair' tab and select 'Rebuild Icons'

    If you're not running XP go here for other flavours of Windows
     
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    I have an Olympus camera and had nothing but problems with the Camedia software. I bought a USB card reader, for under $15, and just stick the card in the reader and drag/drop/copy where I want the photos.
     
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  5. 2003/06/19
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    I guess Hawk's problem may be that he also uses that software for photo editing.

    Your solution is ideal given that you have a standalone editing program.

    FYI - I have Canon and Kodak digital cameras and both software suites work just fine, although I basically use them only for downloading - I use Photoshop for editing. Also Nikon is fine. Strange that Olympus seems to have problems.
     
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  6. 2003/06/22
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    Hi there,
    Thank you for the comforting news, I have not proceedet yet, time is a problem at the moment.
    But one thing I would like to ask yes I think that all the files are jpeg files, but I am not quite sure where to find them as I had that thought of finding them and then burn them to CD I do have 3 drives C: D: and E: and Camedia is Installed on D: but I have not been able to locate them there. There are about 30 to 40 Photos there.
    Maybe you could give me some tips on how to locate them.
    And yes I did a little bit of editing the Photos in Camedia, but I had been looking at getting Ulead Photoshop to do Editing.
    Can the Photos be downloadet from the Camera using other Photo Editing Programs rather than Camedia if this is a troublesome software??.
    Thanks again for your help, hope to get some more info.
    hawk22
     
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  7. 2003/06/22
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    The unhelpful answer is 'where you put them' or 'where you allowed Camedia to put them' :D

    The helpful answer is - do a search for *.jpg on all drives in Windows Explorer - I can't be more specific as to exactly how as you have not mentioned your OS (98. Me, XP - although they are all similar in this respect)

    Read your camera manual - it should tell you the file format.

    Alternatively look in My Pictures in My Documents - there's a good chance that that is the default location.

    Generally speaking each download is stored in a folder named something along the lines of 2003_06_22 - it is a standard convention for digital cameras.

    If your Olympus had a removeable card the files can be transferred to your PC using a card reader as posted by aleekat, if not, probably not - don't know, but you will need a standalone editor.

    Consider Photoshop Elements V.2 - the best low-cost editing suite around - essentially a lite version of Photoshop.

    Post back with your results.
     
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  8. 2003/06/28
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    PeteC, Thanks, I did a search of my C & D drive looking for all jpg
    files and I had no idea that I had that many jpg files there a lot of them where Temp Internet Files, but I did find the Camedia ones and created a Folder in My Documents and saved them there.
    So now I am ready to delete Camedia and try to re-install it and see what happens from here on.
    I think to make sure I will save them after downloading to CD.
    Thanks again
    hawk22
     
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  9. 2003/06/29
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    Thanks for posting back - glad to hear that you found the files!

    Hope the re-install sorts out the problems with Camedia.
     
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    For editing those photos, take a look at Irfanview. It's no Photoshop but it (be sure to get all its plug-ins, too) is free and it does quite a bit. I have Photoshop but fire up Irfanview 99% of the time and always use it for simple photo editing. I use it on both a Win98 and an XP system and it works as advertised.
     
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  11. 2003/06/30
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    Hi there again,
    Pete C, yes thanks I uninstalled the unusable version of Camedia and re-installed it again and it works again.
    Miz, hi I do have a version of Irfanview but I don't have all the plug ins only the e-mail one. But I do believe it is a very good little app. I installed ACDSee that a Friend gave me and that looks quite ok too to do some minor editing.
    It also has a function to download from Camera, but I don't know yet if it will work with the Olympus Camera.
    I will give it a go and as soon as I have some idea I will post back. I will also download the other plug ins for Irfanview and give that a go as well.
    Since you two have been kind enough to respond to my situation and are into digital photography you might just be able to give me a tip here.
    I am about to purchase a Flatbed Scanner and I have narrowed down my choice to two Models
    EPSON 1660 Photo or CANNON 5000 here in Australia they are both around the same price AU$340.00 about US$160
    I have many Colour Slides that I want to scan and then burn to CD so do you have any preferences here.
    Your tips will be much appreciated.
    Cheers for now and thanks again
    hawk22
     
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  12. 2003/06/30
    PeteC

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    Hi hawk,

    You are right there - I am deeply into digital imaging as well as the conventional darkroom :)

    I scan my slides on a Nikon Coolscan IV film scanner and have no experience of using flatbed scanners for that purpose. However a couple of my friends use a flatbed for scanning medium format and larger trannies and negs. They both have Epson models and produce good prints at A3.

    I took a look at both Epson's and Canon's websites - the Canon has a higher optical resolution (2400 x 4800) than the Epson (1600 x 3200) - my Nikon scans at 2900 dpi and produces excellent quality prints at A3.

    Apart from the software bundles they are otherwise much the same, but the Canon incorporates a dust and scratch removal facility in the scanner software - FARE, which works reasonably well according to a report I read in a DI mag - this is similar to Digital ICE on the Nikon.

    There is no doubt that both will produce quality scans, but the higher optical resolution and inclusion of FARE would just tip the balance for me in favour of the Canon 5000F.
     
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  13. 2003/07/08
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    Pete C, Hi
    Sorry Pete it has taken that long to reply to your greatly appreciated tip. I was set to go and possibly take the plunsh on a scanner Monday I was rostered to have my RDO, but it got cancelled and I won't have it now till the 21st, so I have more time to get confused:confused: You mentioned the FARE in the Cannon Scanner, this is the one thing that concernes me a bit in regard to scanning Slides how good is it in recognicing actual scratches and not confusing it with slight warps in the slide produced by heat expansion as you do not take the slides out of the frame. I know some of my slides are not flat.
    What is your opinion in regards to Photo Printer compatability my daughter and I had sort of made up our Mind on the Epson 830 Photo Printer we seem to be quite happy with the results. We had a sample done, scanned on Epson 1660 and printed out on the 830. My old faithful Epson 600 Color is sort of out of date but in 5 or 6 years never one hicup and that with refilling myself the Cartridges, can't go crook on that.
    Well Pete it is great to be able to talk to someone not biased on Brands as most Retailers have prferences due to profits I guess.
    I have downloadet a trail copy of 'JASC PAINT SHOP PRO 8 "
    have you ever experimented with it?? I also have ACDSee 5 and Irfan View 5 with all they'r plug ins.
    Paint Shop Pro 8 has many features for Editing, but it will take some learning on how to use them all.
    Well Pete thanks again for your help and any further advice will be greatly appreciated.
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  14. 2003/07/08
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    Hi Hawk,

    FARE and ICE both work on the principle of colour difference - don't know exactly how, but both can be turned off in the software. Needless to say neither works in mono!

    Slight warps will have no effect on the performance of FARE - as I mentioned it works via colour, and the large depth of field of the scanner lens will ensure that your scans are sharp.

    Not quite sure what you mean by photo printer compatability - there is essentially no connection between the scan source and the output source apart from the fact that it is beneficial that they both work in the same colour space. Probably getting a bit technical here - colour management is something you will learn about if the need arises, but all my printed output is aimed a International Photo Salons - including Sydney, Maitland and Adelaide where I have exhibited for more years than I care to remember!, so they need to be 'right'.

    I use the Epson 1270 A3 printer and have no problems with Epson printers per se, but there are others, of course, especially Canon.

    IMO you will not go far wrong with the 830, especially as you have seen the results - and that goes for the 1660 too. I doubt very much that you will be able to refill the 830 cartridges as they are chipped but compatibles are available.

    I've not used Paintshop Pro, but it gets good reports. However, if you intend to buy an imaging program then Adobe Photoshop Elements 2 has the edge and is a bit cheaper - in the UK at least. I use Photoshop 7 extensively and have co-authored 2 eBooks on it - so maybe a touch of bias, but I think not as Elements pipped Paintshop in a recent comparision test in one of the PC mags I subscribe to.

    Incidentally I think the Epson scanner comes with an imaging program - not Elements unfortunately, as does the printer, but again, not Elements.
     
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  15. 2003/07/13
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    Pete Hi,
    Many thanks again for your advice, that is very much appreciated.
    I had a look at the Epson 1660's Software that comes with the Scanner and it is "ArcSoft Photo Impression 4 "
    I havent seen any Roadtests on this Software so far.
    One of our local Printer and Scanner Places are raving about "Silverfast" Scanner Drivers High-end scan & Imaging software from Lasersoft. In use with a Epson Scanner they say will improve the scans to a much higher level.
    Are you in any way familiar with this Software??
    www.lasersoft.com
    Well Pete if you wouldn't mind when you are next exhibiting any of your work in Melbourne please send me a e mail so I can go and Visit it as I am resident in Melbourne.
    Fotoshop Elements does get good reviews here too.
    thanks again
    hawk22
     
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    Hi Hawk,

    Silverfast is professional, high end scanning software with a price to match - even if you are an amateur producing prints of exhibition standard it is rather unlikely that the expenditure could be justified. Although it enables you to adjust the scan in the scanning software rather than in an imaging program such as Photoshop, it requires a high degree of skill plus experience to get the best out of it. Basically it is a professional tool.

    With film scanners the bundled software like NikonScan does a very competent job and most of us follow the 'golden rule - 'use the scanner software to do a straight scan - make no adjustments to the image in the scanner software - do it all in Photoshop' The only real exception to the rule is to set up the scanner colour space to that which will be used in Photoshop to avoid colour space conversions.

    As i mentioned in an earlier post I have friends using Epson flatbed scanners with the Epson scanning software and they turn out prints of International Exhibition quality from medium format and larger negatives.


    My advice is to use the scanning software provided with the scanner and to adjust the image in Photoshop (Elements 2). If this doesn't satisfy you then try Silverfast, although I understand from an earlier post that you do only a little photo editing.

    In a 'nutshell' - for your application (as I understand it) using Silverfast is a bit like using the proverbial sledgehammer to crack a walnut :D
     
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  17. 2003/07/17
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    Pete Hi,

    Sorry I have been so long in responding. I wen't to that Shop that had been raving so much about Silverfast, and guess what equipped with your info the Salesman changed his mind very quickly and fully agreed with your assessment Thanks Pete.
    The next time you will hear from me with a million questions is as soon as I get the Scanner I have my RDO on Monday and will be on my way with some Negs. and a couple of Slides to my preferred Shop and have some scanes done both on the Epson and Cannon and go home with one or the other :D
    So thanks again Pete for your excellent Advice and please keep a lookout for my cries of help.
    regards
    hawk22
     
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  18. 2003/07/17
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    Glad to have been of help - come back any time :)
     
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