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perfect disk - not so perfect?? Question

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    I'm running winXP Home, SP2 on a 3.0Gh system.
    I have 2 SATA hard drives (not RAID) and an external HD.
    I use Acronis True Image to create a mirror image of the 2 HD's and use the
    external HD to hold the image files.

    Perfect Disk ran ok on the 2 HD's, no problems. When i tried it on the external
    HD, it 'appeared' to go into a loop on the image files. This lasted for 4 hours and
    then i stopped it.
    I could access the external HD files and they appeared ok.
    I removed Perfect disk and tried using the winxp defrag program. It started doing
    the same thing as perfect disk.

    I had to reformat the external HD and re-create the image files. Then when i
    ran the winXp defrag program, it finished in about 12 minutes.
    The files were titled as 0114051.tib, 0114052.tib, 0114053.tib and 011405.tib
    (month,day,year and acronis provides the last digit in file names).

    Anyone have this or a simular problem with perfect disk??

    thanks,
    savagcl
     
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    Hi clif!

    Not an answer to Your question, I use neither PD nor ATI but:

    I have used Ghost for a couple of years and the only trouble I have had, occurred in the beginning. I had the recommendation to create images to a dedicated partition and never defragment that partition. Defragmenting an image was said to be the most effective way to increase the probability of corruption.

    I ignored half the information and used Norton Speed Disk to defragment. The reason for doing it was after deleting an obsolete image, I wanted to consolidate free disk space. I sat there watching the little pieces being moved around in a seemingly random manner ...... :p ...... and I had to pay the price in the form of a corrupted image, one out of four or five didn't survive the treatment. Nothing serious since I discovered it during the subsequent integrity checks. I had to delete the image and do without it. Since then, I have left that partition alone.

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    Hi Christer,

    From what you said, it seems the answer would be to set up a fairly small
    partition on the external HD exclusively for the backups and never defrag it.
    Just do deletes (and adds) of the images as needed.

    Sounds ok to me.

    thanks for the feedback,
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    clif,

    The size is up to You, I have a 30 GB partition because I create several images during the installation of the system to be able to "roll back" to "any" condition.

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    I set up a 50 Gig partition. That gives me enough room for holding 3 backups.
    A backup foe me takes approx 12-15Gig so 50 is good.

    If i ever hit 3 bad ones in a row, I'll get a new backup software package But i
    have had good luck with acronis. Have had to apply an image twice since i had
    it and both times was error-free. Altho i have heard horror stories, i havent had
    any. Maybe its because i always verify the images i create.

    thanks,
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    My images of the system partition are ~2½ GB each. The partition is currently ~3½ GB but Ghost excludes all one session files that are of no value in an image, such as pagefile.sys and hiberfil.sys.

    I currently have 6 images created during the installation and another five images created as "snapshots" ...... :rolleyes: ...... prior to doing something potentionally stupid. There is free space to hold one more before Windows starts nagging about low free space (less than 10%). When I run out of space, I will delete the "snapshots" and start over.

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    Acronis has a small area on a HD that it uses for changes since last backup. I
    dont use it since it only takes maybe 25 minutes for a full system backup and
    a little less time to restore it. I keep it there because use the F11 key during
    boot time to restore everything (if needed). Their alternate method is to use a
    bootable CD (which also works, i tried it once) and then not have the small
    changes area.

    I copied the backup image (a new one) to a different partition on the external
    HD, re-installed Perfect Disk and did another defrag. This time it worked!!! So
    i suspect a bad image may have made PD start looping. Never will find out what
    happened. Hey, its working now so guess i'll buy it (and cross my fingers).

    Thanks, Guy,
    savagcl
     
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    A follow-up.

    The multi-image files (1,2,3,4) was produced because of the FAT32 file size
    limit and not acronis true image software.
    I reformatted the external drive as NTFS and only 1 files was created and it
    was a couple of gigs smaller than the multi-file output (10.xx vs 13.xx gig).
    Quite a bit of savings there.

    The NTFS file did work successfully in Perfect disk, so i still think that PD is
    attempting to merge the FAT32 image files into 1 file and maybe its hitting that file limit....... Or am i totally off-base??

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    I understand that as You defragmented the file. Did PD do some actual defragmenting or did PD consider the file unfragmented?

    Possibly into a contigous chunk but not into a single file - impossible.

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    Christer,

    A good question of course, i dont remember if it showed any fragments before
    defragging.
    Over the next couple of days, i'll be creating some more backups, just to be
    safe, and i'll make sure i check if any fragments are present before defrag.

    Quick response - do you live on this forum? :)

    Have a good one,
    savagcl
     
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    Well, not really! I check in for short periods several times a day and it was by chance that You posted while I was here. (It's been 5½ hours now since my last visit ...... :rolleyes: ...... began to feel the symptoms of withdrawal!)

    Is there some kind of image file integrity check in ATI? If so, do You check the file(s) after defragmenting?

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    Yes, there is. It can check the file it just created and let you know it's ok (or
    not). I've never seen one that was not ok. I try and check it immediately
    after creating, well i checked it the first few time i did it and they were all ok.

    So now i just spot check every so often. Creation time and check time is about
    equal (1/2 hour to create , 1/2 hour to check).


    glad you have another life. :)

    savagcl
     
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