1. You are viewing our forum as a guest. For full access please Register. WindowsBBS.com is completely free, paid for by advertisers and donations.

PC will not boot past Boot Magic loading (Dual Boot XP/98SE)

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by PeteC, 2004/09/04.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. 2004/09/04
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    Although this problem is most likely related to Boot Magic I feel that the XP forum is appropriate ....

    A friend's computer, but one that I built ....

    Dual boot to Windows XP NTFS/98SE FAT32 (98SE to allow use of film scanner not compatible with XP) using Boot Magic - XP default OS.

    On boot POSTs OK, then Boot Magic tries to load with ..... line
    Boot Magic OS selection screen does not appear - just a blank screen.

    Boot Magic Rescue disk fails with message 'Program not loaded' - it was installed to XP partition. Edit - According to the manual BM must be installed to a FAT 32 partition, so it is presumably on the 'other' C: drive - Win 98

    F8 (F5, F10), but I am sure it is F8 on this m/c, fails to give any options, but I recall that Boot Magic must be loaded before this key operates as it should.

    Booted from XP CD to Recovery Console and ran chkdsk /r - few problems fixed, but problem remains.

    Ran, probably unwisely, fixboot - no change

    Thought of running fixmbr, but chickened out on warning messages about partitions not being standard or something and prediction of possible dire consequences if run.

    Booted from Win 98SE start up disc to give CD-ROM drivers. Inserted Partition Magic CD - could not install Boot Magic in DOS so navigated to DOS utilities - basically the same content as the Rescue disk. PQboot ran this time and asked for OS to boot - selected XP - same result as before - POST followed by Boot Magic ..... , but no selection screen, just a blank screen.
    Tried to boot to 98 with same results.

    Also tried booting to C: prompt using 'MS Dos start up disk to C: prompt' and tried to run System Restore on command %systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe. Unfortunately C: prompt was the Win 98 one so files not found.

    The problem appears to lie in Boot Magic which I cannot circumnavigate.

    Any suggestions before I attempt to repair XP on Monday - a process in which I have little faith having run into problems with this on more than one occasion.

    Fortunately the disk is partitioned so the bottom line is a reformat which I would like to avoid if at all possible. Unfortunalely I failed to set up ASR on this m/c.
     
  2. 2004/09/04
    RayH

    RayH Inactive

    Joined:
    2002/01/10
    Messages:
    740
    Likes Received:
    0
    I've never used Boot Magic, but I believe that the C:\ has to be FAT32 with BM.
     
    RayH,
    #2

  3. to hide this advert.

  4. 2004/09/04
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    RayH

    You're absolutely right - just checked out the manual. So on that basis BM must be installed on the 98 partition, the other C:drive.
     
  5. 2004/09/04
    Zander

    Zander Geek Member Alumni

    Joined:
    2002/01/07
    Messages:
    4,084
    Likes Received:
    5
    Pete
    You say you're able to get to a c promt using a boot disk. Maybe you can start win98 by switching to the windows folder and then type win. If win98 starts you could try installing boot magic on it and see if it straightens things out. Don't know if you would be in for even more trouble doing this or not. Right now, it's the only thing I can think of.
     
  6. 2004/09/04
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    Zander

    Didn't think of that - one more thing to try before attempting a repair - thanks.
     
  7. 2004/09/04
    Zander

    Zander Geek Member Alumni

    Joined:
    2002/01/07
    Messages:
    4,084
    Likes Received:
    5
    I was thinking about this and it seems to me that if you try this you'll get an error about no memory manager or some such thing. Something about Himem.sys requiring emm386.exe. If you do get this error you could try adding it to the config.sys file on the boot floppy in order to load it from there. You could either copy emm386.exe to the boot floppy and load that one or else just load the one in your windows folder.

    Device=C:\windows\emm386.exe

    Don't know if that will do the trick or not as I've never tried it. Perhaps things will work for you without it though. Just a thought.
     
  8. 2004/09/04
    Zander

    Zander Geek Member Alumni

    Joined:
    2002/01/07
    Messages:
    4,084
    Likes Received:
    5
    Pete
    If you haven't tried this already, don't bother with my last suggestion. I tried it (loading emm386.exe from the floppy) on a computer I have here but it still wouldn't boot. I didn't receive any memory manager error but instead recieved a vfat error that said something about failed to intialize vfat, a device needed is not available (something like that anyway). I then tried adding a path statement to the autoexec.bat to include windows etc. but still received the same error. Thought I'd post this to save you some time if you receive the emm386.exe error. I'm not really sure where to go from here. Maybe somebody else knows about this or can come up with something else.
     
  9. 2004/09/04
    bluzkat

    bluzkat Inactive

    Joined:
    2002/04/02
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Pete,
    Just a quick thought... if you wind up having to format: install 98 (C:\) then install XP (D:\). You don't need to use BootMagic. XP will handle the dualboot very nicely. The only time you would really need a third party boot manager is if you throw Linux into the mix, or install the OS's out of sequence (oldest first is recommended). HTH

    B :cool:
     
    Last edited: 2004/09/04
  10. 2004/09/05
    r.leale Lifetime Subscription

    r.leale Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    2002/01/17
    Messages:
    647
    Likes Received:
    4
    Pete,
    This may be a silly question, but have you tried disabling Boot Magic?
    If you can use the boot disk to load, in Dos run C: \BTMAGIC.PQ\CONFIG.BAT and on the Boot Magic config screen disable Boot Magic. (That may be D: if BM isn't in a FAT32 partition on C)

    Roger
     
  11. 2004/09/05
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    Thanks for all the suggestions ....

    Zander

    Thanks for the try out!

    Mr. B

    If it comes to the crunch I would intend to do that. 98 was installed subsequent to XP when we found that the film scanner was incompatible with XP - hence the use of Boot Magic.

    r.leale

    I must admit to not thinking of that, but config.bat does not appear to be on the Rescue disks but there is the following note in the Readme file ....

    "When Installing BootMagic from Windows 2000 or Windows XP, it is
    recommended that you install to a FAT16 partition. If you install
    to a FAT32 partition, the rescue diskettes will not see the BootMagic
    partition. If you do install to a FAT32 partition, you can create
    rescue diskettes from a Windows 98 or Windows Me machine; then the
    disks will see the FAT32 BootMagic partition correctly. "

    I'll make some more disks on my 'breakable' m/c.

    Playing around on that m/c with various boot/rescue disks it seems that the C: drive I can get to is the default start up drive under BM - XP in both cases.

    However an XP boot disk does bypass Boot Magic, so some hope there.

    I'll keep you posted - back to that m/c Monday am (BST)
     
  12. 2004/09/05
    sparrow

    sparrow Inactive

    Joined:
    2004/03/21
    Messages:
    2,282
    Likes Received:
    0
    Since you have tried most everything, before you quit, try
    fdisk /mbr
    from a win98 startup disk. That's the mbr you want since I think all the dualboot stuff is on the root of c: . At least if you can get into win98 you're part way there.

    Did you install bootmagic in dos, win98, or XP? Just curious. Have it, but haven't used it; scared! :D
     
  13. 2004/09/05
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    Sparrow

    I'll give that a try - if I can get into Win 98 I can disable Boot Magic. It was installed to 98 as XP is NTFS.
     
  14. 2004/09/06
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    Update ....

    Sparrow

    Great :D - that got me into Win 98SE. Set BM as default OS - no go so uninstalled BM. PC boots fine to 98, but does not see the hidden XP partition of course.

    Everyone

    Win XP boot disk, which works just fine on my 'breakable' m/c said
    then BSODed with
    After a lot more fiddling around and getting nowhere hitched up a spare 80 gig drive as master, loaded XP and hitched up original master as slave.

    Thankfully all partitions bar XP showed up on that drive, so left friend with instructions to burn all his data (mainly photo images) in 3 partitions to CD/DVD.

    Next week, when that is done I will attempt a fixmbr though Recovery Console and if that fails a Repair of XP if I can log onto the right C: drive, Failing that I intend to format the entire drive, test with Maxtor Utility and reinstall dual boot without BM.

    All comments gratefully received :)
     
  15. 2004/09/06
    r.leale Lifetime Subscription

    r.leale Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    2002/01/17
    Messages:
    647
    Likes Received:
    4
    Hi Pete,
    I had a real saga with that "Autocheck program not found - Autocheck skipped" message because of Partition Magic. I had to do a repair to XP in the end.
    Roger
     
  16. 2004/09/06
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    Hi Roger

    If I have to format I shall skip Partition Magic and use XP to partition the disk. Good to know that is the source of the problem, although I have used PM for several years without a problem - until now :D
     
  17. 2004/09/06
    irdreed

    irdreed Inactive

    Joined:
    2002/09/27
    Messages:
    541
    Likes Received:
    0
    PeteC, Just got to this post, (Jhonny come Lately :D ) but if I may ask what version of Boot Magic is installed? The reason for asking is, I have PM 8.0 and in the manual for the Boot Magic section it describes how to configure BootMagic to work on an NTFS System.
     
  18. 2004/09/06
    sparrow

    sparrow Inactive

    Joined:
    2004/03/21
    Messages:
    2,282
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi Pete,
    Now that 98se boots, would think that a repair/reinstall (which?? - suspect latter) of XP would both restore XP and set up dual boot. Theoretically :D

    Good luck!
     
  19. 2004/09/06
    PeteC

    PeteC SuperGeek Staff Thread Starter

    Joined:
    2002/05/10
    Messages:
    28,896
    Likes Received:
    389
    irdreed
    Sadly v 7.0 :( - cannot be loaded to NTFS.

    Sparrow

    When the data is safely off the other partitions I shall feel free to experiment :D

    Will keep you posted - next week
     
  20. 2004/09/06
    irdreed

    irdreed Inactive

    Joined:
    2002/09/27
    Messages:
    541
    Likes Received:
    0
    PeteC, Since I also Dual Boot (C" Win98SE, "D WinXP Pro),this has been rattling my brain box since I first saw it today, so if I may inject some more food for thought before You go the Format Route.

    I use this site for a lot of my info on Dual boot because they offer a tremendous amount of information and sources. Have you tried any of these suggested Bootcfg command methods?
    http://thpc.info/dual/bootcfg.html

    The reason I posted the above info is I'm not sure how the Dual Boot is configured, since you said Win98 was added after XP due to the scanner not being compatible with XP. So Is "C" WinXP and "D" Win98 or not?

    I hope you can see my reasoning and that this makes sense and helps.
     
    Last edited: 2004/09/06
  21. 2004/09/07
    Eck

    Eck Inactive

    Joined:
    2002/08/17
    Messages:
    198
    Likes Received:
    0
    I've used both the Microsoft way of letting XP create an extended and a logical partition for XP, and the Partition Magic/Boot Magic way of making two Primary Partitions with each OS seeing itself as the C Drive.

    I've settled on preferring the "separate" way with PM/BM. Too many times, programs and their updates would get confused when installing to the XP D drive and fail to install properly. Also, if something gets messed up on one, you can format and reinstall it without it effecting the boot sector of the other OS (and therefore being forced to repair install the other OS).

    I just keep a 7.87GB 98 partition and the rest XP. But both think they're the only OS on the computer.

    I did run into a problem when I used Boot Magic to set it up once. I now make both partitions with a PM 8.01 Boot Disc, the first Fat32, the second big one NTFS. I set the FAT32 active, install 98 and update until I'd need to add the internal cards (sound, modem, etc, which I remove first). Then I install PM 8, update it to 8.01 (important, because PM 8.0 had bugs), and set the NTFS partition active. Then I install XP, update it until ready for internal cards, then install PM on XP and set the FAT32 active. Now, on 98 I can install Boot Magic and it will see both OS's properly. I usually rename the OS's to simply Windows XP and Windows 98, and move up XP and make it the default. This way I can just tap enter, or just leave it alone and XP (my usual OS) will boot up. Just in case, I enable advanced partition hiding in the Boot Magic Options. I want those partitions and OS's to keep from messing with each other!

    I don't think Boot Magic handles setting things up too well, but works fine if everything's done first, then just set it up as a Boot Menu. Use Partition Magic for the actual work.

    As for the current problem, I'd shrug my shoulders and start over, setting it up right from the start.
     
    Eck,
    #20
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.