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Office 2007 has reached end of extended support

Discussion in 'Other PC Software' started by Christer, 2017/11/15.

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    Christer

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    I noticed that too. I actually bought 2016 Home & Business because of 2007's end of support - just waiting to build up the nerve to install it. I want to install over 2007 so I can keep all my configurations but not hog up disk space with two installed versions of Office. I am not worried about losing any of my data as I have backups, but I sure would like it to be good to go from the start - in particular, with all my Outlook contacts, emails, and most importantly, my calendar events still intact.
     
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    Bill, in Aries thread, you mentioned the date April 11 but most of the "2007 stuff" was supported (extended) until October 10. Since April, 33 updates for Office 2007 have been released, for components installed on my system that is. As of "late" (read: the last few years), there have been so many updates that I have wondered what the underlying problem has been.

    I intend to keep using Office 2007 for a while longer because I can't justify the cost for an "upgrade". I'm not on a network, I don't use Outlook and all files are stored locally which means that my Office never connects to the internet. I don't worry too much about being exposed to threats but I'm pretty sure that you will try to convince me of the opposite ... ;) ... !
     
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    Oops! Corrected other post. Thanks.

    Actually, I will not try to talk you into upgrading because of one key thing you said: you are not on a network. If that were my case, I would not upgrade either because I really like Office 2007. But in my case, I use Outlook extensively as my email client, contacts manager, and calendar/appointment scheduler.

    Outlook 2016 by itself is $109. I found Office 2016 Home & Business (which includes Outlook 2016, as well as Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote) for $192 at Walmart on-line. So I figured I would splurge and get the whole suite.

    I just installed it and am happy to report everything (well, almost everything) went great. All my emails, email accounts, calendar events and contacts migrated just fine. My important Word docs and Excel spreadsheets display properly. But I was surprised to see Office 2007 was not overwritten as I was lead to believe would happen. Now I will have to endure another round of concern when I decide to uninstall 2007. But I will wait a couple days for that.
     
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    Yea, I found Microsoft's advisory about this lacking: CVE-2017-11882 | Microsoft Office Memory Corruption Vulnerability

    OK, there may nor have been any reported cases of exploits, but I'd have thought this would have been listed as critical, since it does allow for Remote Code Execution
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    - KB4011276 -

    I wondered why the filename of the executable update file differed from the usual "structure" and it came in two versions, English and Chinese.

    Usual "structure" of the file name as in: word2007-kb4011266-fullfile-x86-glb.exe (glb = global?)

    This one: eqnedt322007-kb4011276-fullfile-x86-en-us.exe or zh-cn for the Chinese version.

    Just a question that crossed my mind. Regard it as rhetorical.
     
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    I use Access, Excel, PowerPoint, Publisher and Word which means that I would have to go "Professional". In Sweden at a popular online dealer, "Home and Business" costs SEK 2499 (USD 297 at todays exchange rate) while "Professional" costs SEK 4749 (USD 564). Maybe if I look around, I'll find it cheaper elsewhere. I believe that I could buy it anywhere since the installation file is global (detects the language version of the operating system), right?
     
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    I think MS is trying to keep good relations with China. That is likely their biggest market in the future.

    My guess as to why they patched 2007 is because the hole was the same (or close to it) that no significant amount of resources (manpower) had to go in to developing patches for all.

    As far as language, not sure. My Office 2016 was just the product key. I had to download the installer and I had to select English and 64-bit before downloading the installer from the MS website. If you can buy a full install disk, I suspect you can select language when installing.
     
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    Yes, the same everywhere, I guess but I believe you can buy a box with the installation media at a higher price.

    I found another online dealer offering the versions at considerably lower prices: "Home and Business" at SEK 1676 (USD 199) and "Professional" at SEK 2429 (USD 288). These low prices make me apprehensive.
     
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    Yeah, I am seeing places like this that lets you buy the installation media for an extra $40. It is hard to tell if worth it. I have always preferred to have installation disks with my major programs like Office and Windows. I have an official W10 disk for this machine so if I have to rebuild from scratch, I can. But I worry what will happen with this new Office 2016 5 years from now if I want to reinstall. Wait and see, I guess.
     
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    A friend of mine bought Acrobat 9, received a license key and the software had to be downloaded from Adobes site. He saved the downloaded installation file and it was no problem using it for reinstallation several years later. The updates were still available online, for this "out of support" software. The only problem was that it had not been possible to deactivate Acrobat on the computer which meant a halfhour chat with support to sort it out.

    Regarding Windows 10, I always do the upgrades to a new version the "Media Creation Tool way". On a different friends laptop, I had to reinstall the OS and used the most recent version (1703) of the installation media at the time. It activated without problems.
     
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    In the context of how it workes on Acrobat, I forgot to ask if Office 2016 was activated on your computer and if there is an option somewhere to deactivate? I mean to install on a different computer or to reinstall on the same.
     
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    Yes, it was activated on my computer but during the installation process, I had to sign into a Microsoft account and there it said in several places to save the Product key in case I want to install this Office license on a different computer. I am assuming when doing that, I would have to declare in some way that I have uninstalled it from any previous computers.
     
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    Okey, thanks for confirming!
     
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    I bought MS Office Home and Student 2013 on our Trademe site for $115.00NZD about 4 years ago. The sale was for the Product key and this went through the MS Office web site. I had no problems downloading and activation and also requested delivery of the DVD if I needed to re-install it at any time. This DVD arrived via Post from Singapore with a bar code sticker with all detail on it.
    The DVD has the Microsoft hologram in the center and around the outer edge of the disc.
    This program has Excel, One note, Power Point and Word all 2013. The Product Key was also included in the package.
    MS Office Home 2016 is currently offered on the Trademe site for $189 to $199.00NZD. No Publisher on the disc.
     
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    I am also using Office 2007 & have no plans to *upgrade* to 2016 or 365. I am just thinking going with LibreOffice as I don't use 90% of the offerings in the MS Office software.
     
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    I have LibreOffice on a couple other systems. Thus far, I have not found any problems working with MS Word or Excel files. If I was not so dependent on Outlook for appointment reminders (including a couple dozen birthdays) and contacts management, I would likely be using LibreOffice. That said, I really like Outlook too. So it is not like I am stuck with something I don't really want.

    FTR, I also tried OpenOffice. It works and is a capable alternative, but LibreOffice feels more polished to me.
     
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    I'm a big fan of Office 2007 too. I have the entire suite, but I mainly use Excel, Word, Outlook, and Microsoft Office Picture Manager (and occasionally Publisher, and Power Point) . I'll guess I'll be updating soon, but I've heard some complain of bugs in Outlook 2016 that Microsoft is still working on.

    Bill, concerning your download, could that not be made into an image and burnt to disk?
     
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    It already is a 2.95GB "disk image file" so I assume it could be burned to disk.

    I have to say after using Office 2016 a few days, I have mixed feelings about it. I assume if I migrated through Office 2010 and Office 2013 to get here, it would not seem so different. But there is differently a learning curve. But I can live with that.

    It's appearance is disappointing, but expected. Office 2007 was created when Windows and programs had all the "Aero" desktop visual effects with transparent and grading visual and color effects. Windows and today's applications have migrated to a monotone (monotonous!) appearance. Office 2016 is no exception. This move to plain and basic visuals was done to minimize data consumption on handheld devices and wireless networks, so I understand. But I still like the appearance of 2007 better. I'll get over it.

    My biggest complaint is performance - or rather load times. With Office 2007 on this system (i5, 16GB of RAM and all SSDs), the applications used to "pop" open. This was particularly impressive with my "canned texts" Word document. This is a 73 page document with more than 25,000 words, several images, tables and more. I have a shortcut to that doc in my QuickLaunch toolbar. With Word 2007, after clicking on the shortcut, the document was open and ready to use before I could move my mouse from the shortcut to the open document.

    Now, with Word 2016, the same document takes just under 5 seconds. Now admittedly, starting a huge application like Word and loading up a huge document in less than 5 seconds is still blazingly fast compared to anything running on a hard drive. But, I did not expect it to be noticeably slower. Excel and Outlook are also slower opening. And I have to quickly add that once the apps are loaded and running, they seem quick - really quick.

    I expect in time Microsoft will tweak it more and I expect my W10's prefetch routines will tweak the optimizations too. So hopefully the load times will improve but I assume I will still get used to that too.

    You should not have unrealistic expectations. These applications are HUGE! Anything this big and complex will always have some bugs in them - especially with the obscure, seldom used features. That said, I have not found any - yet.
     

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