no hdd in setup

hi i have wiped my sata hdd using autonuke - relnstalled os - in setup my hdd is not detected but in device manager it comes up as a scsi device
any suggestions would be appreciated

 

If you have not installed the motherboard/chipset drivers, install them off the motherboard drivers CD. If you have, look for updated drivers at the manufacturer's website.

Also find updated SATA Controller drivers and try updating those.

If the motherboard has a RAID Controller, but you don't use it, see if can be disabled in the BIOS/Startup settings.

Matt

 

hi i have xp pro on now
i wiped my original xp pro so i could install win 98se
when i eventualy got 98 on there was no cd rom drive got all these wierd messages
your mult i- functional device (standard dual pci ide controllers)
has some child devicess using 32-bit drivers and others using compatability-mode drivers this is not supported after restart windows will use compatability mode drivers for each chlid device attached to this multi function device
I gave up on 98 and went back to xp
hope you can understand all this as i am a bit puzzled
thanks for your reply

 

Not really - you might have thought you wiped it out but you left some drivers among other things and thats what came back to bite you. Had you FDISKed the drive or removed the partition and rebuilt it and then formatted, your 98 install would have gone more smoothly. My suspicion is you may still have some problems even with XP.

 

This is a driver problem. Windows (98) cannot identify this piece of hardware using Plug and Play. You will need to run the drivers installation program for the that hardware "PCI IDE Controller ". I think it may also have something like a RAID function, unless it cannot utilise a standard function like DMA.

After you install Win 98 using a PCI IDE card, you need to run the drivers installation program (the IDE card manufacturer's drivers).

If you are trying to install Windows on a computer that has "proprietry" drivers (eg. Hewlett-Packard), you will probably get no further.

Matt

 

This is what throws me into a bit of a loop because you cite a SATA drive as being non-recognizable. As a point of reference, I added a PCI RAID card to a machine today to accomodate another HDD and while an IWill card didn't want to play nice with XP, a Promise card did just fine. Had to build a driver based floppy to load drivers as I installed the card after everything else was loaded.

Regards.

 

pci raid card

hi thanks for your input, i have just given up for the time being my head has got to much info
tried to install win98 again same result , i'm back with xp
could you explain what you mean by a pci card and promise card
thanks again

 

This may explain some things (for both you and us ):

First, you do have a SATA HDD, not a PATA (IDE) HDD? Correct?

The drive is connected to an add-in (PCI) card? It is not connected directly to the motherboard?

SATA drives run on a SATA Controller. PATA drives (with the large 40 pin connectors) run on an IDE Controller.

Another Controller that may be present is a RAID Controller. This runs two or more drives "in sync" and although you will not be able to use it if you only have one HDD, Windows (98) will not know what it is unless you install the drivers for it.

As far as the computer (not Windows) is concerned an add-in card that runs HDDs will be a SCSI Controller (even more confusion). SCSI is another type of HDD system and is mainly used in business machines, but the computer sees all non-IDE HDD controllers as SCSI. It just sees it as a HDD controller system that is not part of the motherboard's IDE system and then it is a SCSI card (so you will need to set SCSI as a boot option in the BIOS settings).

Promise and Iwill (I think) are manufacturers of both add-in cards and controllers used as built-in controllers on the motherboard. The card or motherboard may have combinations of SATA contollers, IDE (PATA HDD) controllers and RAID controllers.

Win 98 needs drivers installed to identify the controllers correctly. Win XP is a little more up-to-date and can identify some with it's Plug and Play identification system.

Does this confuse you more or less?

Matt

 

sata connection

hi my sata is connected direct to my motherboard (asus k8v-mx)
could my sata controller have been lost when i wiped my hdd
ta

 

No! A controller is a microchip on the motherboard in this case (as opposed to a microchip on an add-in card). It cannot be lost or deleted. Win 98 will need drivers installed to run it correctly though. Check the information at Asus for your motherboard that Win 98 is supported (and drivers provided). Some motherboards are no longer supporting Win 98.

Post back on your findings (or lack thereof).
Matt

 

Your drivers (software) would be located on a hard drive so if you wiped the drive and didn't re-install drivers the answer would be yes. However, you stated earlier that you wiped your original XP installation so some clarification is necessary. Typically, drivers load before the OS and that was my first take, earlier in the thread - you killed your XP install but didn't wipe the drive, thus you had a few conflicts when you finished your second installation. Now, based upon your most recent comments - if you wiped the whole drive - deleted partion, re-partitioned and re-formatted, and didn't install SATA drivers at an F6 prompt with XP, you'd be in a quandry re: where's the drive? As to 98, I've never done a 98 installation with a SATA drive but have done several 98 RAID (also JBOD using Highpoint controllers) installations which also required installing drivers from a floppy to achieve drive recognition.

Can you provide a little more detail as to what you did, that you are terming, "wiping the drive ".



Edit after reading Matt's post - the controller itself is, as has been referenced by Matt, hardware. I have used the term more liberally and am referencing controller drivers above.

 

hi what i mean by wiping the drive is deleting the os i usualy use a 95 floppy with a prog called fastpurge, on starup it deletes straight off takes ten minutes. This time I used a bootdisk with loads of stuff on including Darik's Autonuke ( "Dban ") its suposed to be used by goverment agencies and such
it took over two hours if I would have known I wouldn't have used it.
I had a seagate floppy for installing new drives I used that and my old 95 boot disk to fdisk and format (the one I use all the time), I think i used the seagate wizard after i started getting problems installing win98.
Another problem came up after installing xp again, the driver cab wouldn't
load, when i put my sound card back i had to put the xp disk in to finish
installing plus some of the drivers off my asus disk (I had to go in explore and download from there).
if you can sort that out you are a diamond
thanks for taking time out.

 

Next time, and I suggest you make time for a next time based upon your comments re: problems - you might find it easier to delete the partition using the prompts on your XP disk (D, enter, L, enter) - its time consuming (about 4 seconds) but does the job. Then you can create a new partition, format it and do your installation. Put the necessary drivers on a floppy so you have them available when prompted and practice tapping your F6 key before you start this procedure. Leave the Autonuke in your bottom desk drawer for the time being (put it right next to that Win95 floppy).

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I'm not really sure what this is all about - its a first for me and I'm afraid to ask.

 

neilstan, it seems like you are probably familiar with the likes of Win 95 and DOS. Win XP is a lot more sophisticated and although it seems to be reasonably automatic, behind the scenes it fairly technical compared to the old versions.

You should not "see" Windows extracting from Cab files. It should be automatic.

When Windows XP is first installed it will have a basic set of drivers to make the "base" hardware run. You then need to install the manufacturer's drivers to make the hardware run correctly.

You mention the Asus CD. I take it this is the drivers CD for the motherboard (and not say, an Asus graphics/video card). The motherboard/chipset drivers are the ones you want to install first. When the chipset drivers are installed, Windows should then be able to communicate with all the other hardware.
If the Asus CD will not "autorun" when you put it in the CD/DVD drive, open My Computer and double click (open) the CD/DVD drive. The Asus driver installation program should then start.

Look for any chipset drivers to be installed first, then install the Graphics/Video drivers, then the other drivers (you won't need RAID drivers unless you specifically want to use them).

Once you get the chipset drivers installed I think the others will install correctly.

Matt
Edit: you may find information about installing drivers in the main manual (the motherboard manual) that came with the computer.

 

necessary drivers

hi again i have done as you have suggested a few times all except putting the drivers on a floppy and using the f6 key
could you tell me how and where i get the drivers
thanks again

 

There should be a utility on the Asus CD which will make the driver floppy for you. Abit motherboard CD's now have a utility one can run with no OS installed that will make driver floppies and I suspect more and more mfg's will be going this route.

 

installing chipset drivers first

ta for all the info, are the chipset drivers the ones you put on a floppy and
when you install the os you press f6
there must be something wrong with my xp disk because you don't usually get a prompt to put it back in the drive to get a file from i386 driver cab to finish installing something, thats why i tried to copy driver cab to my hdd but
it wouldn't let me. enough said ta for trying to put me right.

 

Those are the SATA Controller drivers (and might include the RAID drivers). The chipset drivers should be labelled as such when you run the Asus driver CD. Have you been able to open the program?

All the drivers for your motherboard will be available for download at the Asus Support website if you seem to be having problems with the CD/DVD drive. The website drivers will be updated as well. Let me/us know if you want help to find them.

If you have been working inside the case of the computer, cables may have become loose. If so, pull out the connectors to the drives and reseat them.

Matt

 

when you press f6

hi sorry to bother you again, when you press F6 are the drivers on the floppy Sata control drivers? if so do I copy them off my motherboard disk?
thanks again