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Resolved Networking with W7 - more comments and questions

Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by masonite, 2013/06/30.

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    masonite

    masonite Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    This is a followup of this old thread:
    Arie, I'm beginning to see the wisdom of using Password Protected Sharing for W7 networks, as described in your tutorial that's linked there.

    However, I have a few questions. The first concerns something you said on Page 1:

    Not too sure what you meant by that. The same username and password on each networked PC?

    Also, you mention using 40 - 56 bit encryption instead of 128bit. Is there a reason for that?

    This next question is probably kinda dumb, but I've never bothered with Windows-access usernames and passwords in any system I've ever set up. It's this: Is the 'username' we're talking about here, the same as the computer's 'owner' name? In other words, the name that comes up when you type 'winver' into the run box?

    If so, then I guess the username would be changed (if necessary) by doing the registry fix that changes the owner's name. Yes?

    My last question involves a hypothetical LAN composed of say, three W7 machines, all using Password Protected Sharing, and one XPP machine with only Simple File Sharing. Does the XP machine also need Password Protected Sharing?

    Thanks :)
     
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    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    XP needs simple file sharing disabled, after which password sharing can be setup.

    If use the same username and password for each comp then password sharing becomes easier & faster to setup, but personally I don't like that concept.

    To use password sharing, each comp MUST have an account on it for the other users. For example, if comp 1 user account is logon name: John Doe password: mypassword, then comp 2 MUST also have a John Doe account. If use different account names and passwords then each comp will have multiple accounts.
     

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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    What name do you see at the top of the menu when you click Start?

    What name do you see when you press [Winkey][L]?

    What name do you see when you click Start > Run, type in:

    cmd /c echo %username%&pause>nul&exit​

    and press [Enter]?
     
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    masonite

    masonite Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Guys, thanks for the rapid response.

    Ok, I understand that the same 'username' and password was what Arie was suggesting, but that TonyT isn't too keen on the concept. So far, so good.

    SpywareDr: Wow. I didn't realise there were so many ways of sussing out the 'owner' name. To answer your question - all three returned the same name. Nice tip.

    So, if we could return to my question about the relationship between 'owner' name and 'username', I'm getting the impression that they're the same thing, right?

    In which case, if one ran the following regfix, the owner and username would be changed.


    Okay. But would the change be of a sufficient 'depth' to be 100% valid? I'm asking this because I seem to recall trying this operation some years back (in XP) and it didn't change up every instance of the name. Like - I did a registry search afterwards for the old name and still managed to find a few entries.

    Thanks guys, interesting stuff :)
     
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    rsinfo

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    The 'owner' & 'user' are 2 different concepts altogether.

    For a given computer, there can be one & only one owner but there could be 'n' number of users. The owner name appears when you see System Information.

    In a company, for example, the owner of the computer would be the company but the user wouldn't be the company [for obvious reasons]. The concept of owner has got nothing to do with the users & vice versa.
     
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    masonite

    masonite Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks, rsinfo, but I wasn't referring to 'users' (as in W7 where C: has a sub-folder called Users and each account holder is a 'user')

    This thread, and the original, is about Password Protected Sharing, and the need to enter a 'username' and password to logon to a computer.

    Any references I've made to 'users' were in that context. Nothing to do with the various User accounts that might exist on a computer.

    Maybe my previous posts were clumsily worded: I'll try again.

    My understanding is that the 'owner' name of a computer is synonymous with the name (or group of characters) that's needed to logon to a networked computer when there's a prompt for 'username' and password.

    Is that correct or not?
     
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    Arie

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    I should amend that page... The suggestion to change to the lower encryption is specifically for using mapped drives to non Microsoft OS-running devices such as media players or other stuff.
     
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    Arie

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    Simple answer NO. Try it and you'll see: It will not change the username.

    There is no relation between "registered owner" and username. Now when someone uses the same information while installing the OS (using the same name when asked to set up a Name & Organization and the user account) they will be the same. But changing either one of them leaves the other as-is.
     
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    TonyT

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    As stated above, no, that's incorrect.
    The Owner name (Registered Owner) is the owner of the Windows operating system license and if entered during setup in Windows XP can be viewed via Control Panel > System.

    The "registered owner" can be changed with no ill effects via this registry value:
    HKLM/Software/Microsoft/WindowsNT/Current version/ RegisteredOwner

    User accounts also have a name, e.g. one's username or logon name. A user account can be renamed, but it is NOT recommended. Rather than rename an account, it is better to create a new account with the desired username and then remove the old account.

    In Windows Pro versions (XP, Vista, 7, 8) to add new users solely for password file sharing, one should do:
    right click My Computer > Manage > Users & Groups > Users > Add new

    When adding a new user this way, Windows will not create a User directory for the new user UNTIL that new user logs on to Windows on that actual computer. The user can logon via the network and Windows will not generate a full user directory for that user, keeping Documents & Settings (XP) and Users (7,8) nice & tidy.

    You can add many users, solely for file sharing purposes this way and not have their names listed in the Windows logon screen.
     

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