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Network Crashes

Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by trags, 2010/01/24.

  1. 2010/01/24
    trags

    trags Inactive Thread Starter

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    I have a home network with two Win XP desktop computers (both Dells) connected via ethernet, one Mac laptop via wireless Airport and an older Toshiba with Win 98 via a PCMCIA wireless card. All running on static internal IP address'. Wireless router is an SMC 2804 Wireless Broadband Router. I can access files between all computers and even print to my Brother laserjet and Epson inkjet through the Hawking print server, also a statci IP. Read on for the problem...

    A few months ago I helped an out of town friend set up a streaming webcam on his computer using a program call Broadcam made by NCH corp. His laptop computer runs on Vista and to help him set up I installed the same app on one of my XP desktops. After figuring out how to set it up and make it work properly on my machine I relayed the procedure to him and we got everything working properly. It's basically establishing an open port on the router to allow the video stream out from his local network IP to the public IP from his ISP and onto a web page which has a link to follow to view the video stream. For over a month the application and process ran without a hitch from his home over his wireless network.

    Fast forward to a couple days ago when he is in town and wants to use his web cam from my house over my wireless network. My intention was to shut down the XP machine I have running the web cam software and use the same static internal IP from that machine for his Vista laptop since my router port for that internal IP had already been established. In trying to establish the proper settings on his wireless NIC I was unable to gain access to the internet, his computer saying that network access was local only.

    Now for the weird part. I soon noticed that NONE of the other computers on my network had web access, no email, no messenger services... nothing. I couldn't even access my router admin page through it's gateway address on the internal network. It's as if by connecting his computer to my network it effectively rendered the entire system useless. I tried resetting both the modem and router multiple times, using different internal IP address' than that of the XP machine I used to help set up the program. Even trying to use DHCP settings..all to no avail. The only way to get the network back online was to shut his machine down and reset the router and modem. I am baffled as to what caused all this.

    A few other facts that may help diagnose. The Vista laptop (an HP) has a built in wireless card using 802.11 b/g/n. My SMC router does not support 802.11 n, only b/g. Could this cause the conflict? Is the router too old (almost 8 years) to be compatible with his newer (less than 2 years) computer? Could this be a Vista issue? I know XP far better than I know Vista. I'm at a total loss as to how to figure this out. I appreciate any insight you may have.

    While not an IT expert, I have set up my own network and that of a few friends so I have a decent working knowledge of network set up and maintenance. If there is info that my be helpful to know, please post here and I will reply providing whatever info may be helpful.

    Thanks again in advance for any light you can shed on this problem.
     
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    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    1. that his wifi supports n mode woin't make any difference, the router controls the wifi mode and his card should auto drop to g mode.

    2. if use all static ips, shut off any Vista services on his comp that would conflict, such as dhcp, etc.

    3. scan his system for network malware.

    4. assign his comp a new static ip address, or just keep the dhcp as his would be the only dynamic address ever assigned by the router anyway. and thus won't ever change.

    5. in router, disable the port forward to your comp and setup a new port forward to his comp.
     

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  4. 2010/01/24
    trags

    trags Inactive Thread Starter

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    Thanks for the fast reply...

    1. That's what I thought as well.

    2. When setting up wireless NIC on his computer to work on on my network I chose manually assign IP (static) and DNS and did not choose DHCP for either of those services. Is there another DHCP setting I should be looking for? Again, I'm not well versed in Vista.

    3. Will definitely do a scan. Any recommended apps for that? Norton? Macafee?

    4 & 5. I tried assigning a different IP. Original was 192.168.2.120...tried many others up and down from there. No luck. Tried the DHCP option also. Thought I would let it assign and then use that IP to forward the correct port. The problem there was I couldn't get into my router to do the forwarding. Something was preventing access. From his computer as well as others on the network.

    The only way to get back to a functioning network was to shut down his machine and restart the modem and router.

    Thanks again..will look into other DHCP services and network malware.
     
  5. 2010/01/24
    Scott Smith

    Scott Smith Inactive Alumni

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    Are you sure you are setting the correct adapter on the Vista machine? They have a bunch of them.
     
  6. 2010/01/25
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    Yes...there are only two. One for the built in ethernet, the other for the built in wireless card.
     
  7. 2010/01/25
    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    You sure about the IP.
    Usually one uses:
    192.168.1.x
     
  8. 2010/01/25
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    Positive about the IP...

    Dell #1 192.168.2.110
    Dell #2 192,168.2.120
    Apple Laptop 192.168.2.115
    Toshiba Laptop 192.168.2.130
    Print Server 192.168.2.30
    Router Gateway 192.168.2.1
    Router gateway has DHCP enabled, address pool of 192.168.2.100 through 192.168.2.199

    I used 2 as the third number just to be different. Does it matter since the rest of the network uses the same addressing? I was under the impression I could use any number between 1 and 255 for the first three numbers as long as they remained consistent throughout the system.

    On his Vista laptop I was making IP setting changes to the ipv4 section of the wireless card properties. Should I be looking at the ipv6 as well?

    Thanks again Tony. I appreciate your input.
     
  9. 2010/01/25
    TonyT

    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    Use of 192.168.2.x is fine, so long as all comps use that too, and if use static addressing then all comps should have the gateway set to the router ip.

    Just a note: By default, Linksys routers reserve 192.169.x.2-99 for static addresses and 192.169.x.100-253 for DHCP addressing. When DHCP is enabled in the router it wilI always try to assign x.x.x.100 as the first one. Most routers also have a setting for # of DHCP users, but even if set to 50, the Linksys still uses 192.168.x.100-253, there's no way to control the randomity of DHCP assignment.

    Set up addressing with some logic:
    192.168.x.1 router & gateway
    192.168.x.2-9 access points, additional routers, managed switches
    192.268.x.10-90 computers
    192.168.x.91-99 servers, printers
    192.168.x.100-253 dhcp

    Even if disable the Linksys DHCP server I would set all static addresses on comps below x.x.x.100. These are home routers and not very robust, unless use 3rd party firmware on them.

    As for IP4 & 6, I just disable or don't bother with IP6 on Vista/Win 7, as it's not even used yet on the Internet except for some tunneling packages that use IP6 over an IP4 connection.
     
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    trags

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    I have reconfigured network as you suggested.

    Router stays as 2.1
    Wired and wireless comps are in the 2.10 to 2.90 range
    Print server is 2.91
    DHCP pool is set for 2.100 to 2.253

    Won't have another chance to test system with his HP/Vista laptop for another week or two when he returns to town. Will post back here with results when available.

    BTW, router is SMC, not a Linksys. No mention on admin page of default range for static or wireless IP pool. I manually set DHCP pool to 2.100 to 2.253. it's all up and running again. We'll see what happens next time i try to connect his computer to my network.

    Thanks to everyone for their input. This site rocks!!!
     
  11. 2010/01/26
    TonyT

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    One more note:

    When using IP cameras one usually need do nothing more than assign the cam a static IP address. But in your case, the camera is attached to the notebook, it's not a standalone camera, and the said software makes the camera function as a real IP camera would. You may need to enable UPnP in the router as well as set UPnP Windows Service to started & automatic. And if use a firewall allow the software on port 86.
     

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