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Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by tquinn, 2016/03/20.

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    tquinn Contributing Member

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    I need a new router, but would like to be able to switch to an old security protocol on rare occasions.

    I have a very old computer that I only use just for digitizing vinyl record albums. It has a Cisco Wi-Fi board in it that only supports WEP. Occasionally I want to transfer digitized files to my main desktop. The old computer is on another level so lan cable won't work, and it doesn't even support USB, so I cannot use a jump drive (yes, it is that old).

    Is there any modern wireless router that can be temporarily switched to use WEP when I want to make those transfers, and then go back to better security the rest of the time? Perhaps new routers all support this, but that is why I am asking.
     
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    Just look in the routers specifications that you want to buy.
    Really don’t know of any that don’t support WEP.

    That being said does your old computer have ANY open slot?
    Was thinking of a USB add on card to give it that capability.
    Something like this $11 for an open PCI slot .

    Seems like, if possible, that'd be a better way to go then switching your router all the time. Could use a USB stick or even a wireless dongle that supports WPA
     
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    I guess I'm going to have to admit it. This computer is a 386SX running Windows 95. Mid-to-late 1990s technology. There, I said it. :). It has two USB slots on the main board, but I haven't been able to get them to work recently. I have no interest in working on it. I have enough trouble keeping my newer computers running.

    But it does a nice job just sitting in a spare bedroom digitizing albums (when I have time to do it). I don't use it for anything else, and I never connect it to the Internet.

    And that's not my oldest computer, but I rarely light up the Kaypro II, other than to stun young people on how crude it was. That sucker ran at 2 mHz clock speed stock (yes, I did say mega), but I put a kit in it to boost it to 5 mHz. Then I had to put a fan in it to cool it enough to keep running at 5. Those were the days.
     
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    Guess that kinda killed the add-on board. Need at least win 98 for it and win 98 requires at least a 486 cpu.

    Btw "“ Win95 didn’t support USB except last version (95C?) and then only with oem drivers. So if no longer working you may need to reinstall the original drivers. Hopefully have them.

    Had to laugh at Kaypro comment. Down in the basement "“ somewhere under boxes of old electronic stuff "“ lurks a well traveled and used Kaypro IIx.
     
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    I was living in France between 1999 and 2003, and while there the 386sx board failed. I was able to get a replacement off the Internet sent to me to fix it. The new board had two USB slots on it (the old did not).

    I just started it up, and the operating system seems to be 95B. I plugged in the oldest jump drive I have, and Windows asked me to insert a 3 1/2 inch floppy with a driver. I could not find a disk for that in the location I probably would have put it. I'm now not sure I ever got the USB to work.
     
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    http://toastytech.com/files/cruzerwin95.html
    The usbsupp.exe driver is located on the Windows 95 OEM Service Release CD-ROMs version 2.1 and 2.5 at drive:\Other\USB Folder.

    http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/172402-xusbsupp-extended-usb-supplement-for-windows-95-osr2/
     
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    I really do appreciate and thank everyone for their suggestions. But I'm still inclined to try to work my issue by buying a new WiFi router that can toggle from high level security back to WEP when I need it occasionally, and then switch back to high level. Or maybe the new ones support both dynamically, basing the security system on the signal from the system that is trying to communicate with it. (?)

    My experience is that when I mess with a computer, it rarely goes well on the first try, and often creates new problems in the meantime. Getting into an old computer that I've forgotten more about than I remember seems like risky business. Since I am need of a new WiFi router anyway (the current one is having to be shut down and be restarted too often, and occasionally it loses its configuration), buying a new one with switchable or flexible security level (if such a thing exists) seems like the path of least resistance.
     
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    Yes, my Linksys router (2004 vintage) has that drop down. It has six security options. I've left it at WEP. I wasn't sure if I changed the dropdown if I would loose the settings for WEP if I went back. The password I have to enter is 15 characters of obscure hexadecimal characters, and it is brutal trying to get it in without errors.

    Since the newer routers support simpler passwords, even if it does lose that info, it would be no big deal.

    Other than its recent unreliability, this old Linksys has served me well. Does anyone have a recommendation of what I should buy now? Are there any killer features that I should be looking for?
     
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    All wifi routers are backward compatible with older security technologies.

    There is no '1-click" method of changing wifi security, there is no fast method of toggling between wifi security types used by a wifi router.

    You must always access the router control panel, either via a Web browser or a 3rd party installed application such as Netgear's Genie software, and setup the wifi security.

    Once the security type is set (WEP, WPA, NONE, etc), one must then set the rest of the security settings, e.g. password or passkey. Only the currently used settings are saved in the wifi router's storage chip. Previous settings get overwritten.

    Thus, to toggle between security types (WEP, WPA, NONE) you will have to create the security settings in the wifi router each and every time you want to change them. And you will then lose wifi connectivity at every computer and device and will have to re-do the connection settings on each comp & device.

    Probably the cheapest, fastest & easiest method of transferring the converted audio, since you won't be doing so often, would be to yank the drive from the old comp and connect it to a newer one using an IDE/SATA to USB adapter. Then put the drive back after copying the files to the new comp.
     
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    Tony, thanks for the explanation of what I would need to do. In the process of reading what you suggested, I've thought of a possibly easier approach. Since I'm planning to get a new router anyway because of the unreliability of the current one, I might just keep the current one around. Then when I need to hook to the old computer to transfer data, I'll just temporarily substitute the new router with the old one. I'd leave the old security settings in the WiFi board in the old computer unchanged.

    It would seem by doing that I won't require ANY settings changes on either the routers or the devices, just some cabling changes, and probably a reboot of the computers.

    Does that make sense?
     
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    The ISP assigns the modem a WAN IP address and if use a router, that WAN IP address gets assigned to the router, which in turn uses NAT to share the Internet connection. When swapping routers you'll first need to power OFF the modem, swap the router, power ON the modem then power ON the router. This is because the modem stores the MAC address of the device that it connects to. Swapping without power recycles will cause a conflict in the modem.

    You won't need to reboot the computers but you will have to change the wifi connections on any comps connected by wifi.

    This would not be a real bother since you only do the vinyl conversions once in a while.
     
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    Thanks for the additional information. That sounds like a doable approach for me. And my vinyl record digitizing is rare, at least for now . . . I'm too busy digitizing old family video tapes.
     
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    Going along with your idea of keeping both routers.
    It’d make things really easy and there won’t be much to do.

    After getting your new router and setting it up then simply set your old router up as an access point.

    Your old computer will access your network using the old router with WEP security. No need to do anything else. (For extra security can unplug your old router when not using it).

    All your other computers will use the new router.
    Tony had some good instructions somewhere on setting up an access point, can't find it.
    Here’s a link to other instructions. http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/basics/wireless-basics/30338-how-to-convert-a-wireless-router-into-an-access-point

    The key points to remember.
    On the old router.
    .Connect it to the new one thru a LAN port (do not use the WAN port it’s connected with now)

    .Change the name of the network on the old router (so you know which one you’re connecting to).

    .Turn off DHCP addressing. (all addressing is done by the new router)

    .Assign it a static IP address. Use an IP address same as the new routers local one BUT with the last numbers outside the normal range. Like 192.168.0.201 (write it down so you can get into the routers menu).
     
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    Good idea above to use both wifi routers at the same time. Setup the Linksys as decsribed and also will need these setings:

    If new router is 192.168.1.1 set Linksys to

    WAN:
    Static IP: 192.168.1.2
    Subnet: 255.255.255.0
    Gateway: 192.168.1.1
    DNS: 192.168.1.1

    Same settings for LAN.

    WEP uses hexadecimal characters: A-F & 0-9.
    You can safely use 40 bit WEP, a 10 character password such as: 1234567890 or abcde12345. Just be sure to turn OFF the Linksys when finished because WEP is insecure. I can find your WEP password in less than 1 minute using a laptop or phone in a car outside your house. No worries though, I've no plans to visit Illinois!
     
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    I've known that for a long time. The one thing that works in my favor is that our house is far (250 ft) from the street and other houses except for my next door neighbor (a good friend). I don't think anyone can communicate with my old router without coming down the driveway.
     
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    Thanks for this help.

    tq
     
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    Very possible using a wifi card with an antenna, or simply a legal high power 1 watt wifi adapter, but very unlikely is the point.
     

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