Impressions of Netscape 7.1

I was just wondering what everyones impressions were of Netscape 7.1 so far. I had to download it using the download manager (on dialup) and so far it's working pretty good.

The one thing I noticed is that if I come across forums that have more than one page, say two of them. Let's say I click on the subject link to read the thread. I've noticed that sometimes I end up on page two and at the bottom of that thread. Not at the beginning of page one. It seems to be random. Has anyone else noticed quirks/bugs/problems?

This is the official build right, not a beta. I was suprised a beta wasn't released


Post your thoughts and experiences, I'm interested to hear them!

 

Hi Kevin,

Glad to read your impressions of Netscape 7.1. Perhaps you will post back in a week or so, and let us know your further experience.

Yes, this is the "Official" Release, and no beta releases this Version. I have to assume that with the simultaneous release of Mozilla 1.4 (with Netscape 7.1 based on Mozilla 1.4) that the Mozilla 1.4 RC3, was pretty close to a Netscape 7.1 beta...

Running Windows 98SE and Netscape 7.1, I experience the resource leak. I keep trying different workarounds, and have found that setting the memory cache to 2048, via the user.js file, that the resource leak is improved, but still a problem.
(user_pref( "browser.cache.memory.capacity ", 2048);)

I still have to close the browser, if I'm online for a lengthy period of time, and restart in order to refresh the system resources. However, with this setting rather than the original 4096 that I used, I haven't experienced a resource reading of below 15%.

This is the major flaw, as I have experienced 7.1.

I have not had the problem you describe, however, loading the main page of a multi page thread. Is it a specific BBS or on all BBS. I have browsed to several BBS' and cannot recreate what you describe...

Keep us posted on your experience.

Ramona

 

I notice the resource problem too. The only reason I know it's there is because my RAM Optimizer program warns me of it. Sometimes I'll have aol open (my isp) then netscape 7.1 and maybe outlook and i'll get a warning from FreeRam XP Pro that my resources are getting low. I'm thinking about going back to Netscape 7.02. It worked well for what I needed, and didn't have the resource bug. Low resources aren't so bad, as long as they don't get so low and crash your system.

I just think I will probably go back to 7.02. I liked it a lot and it was able to suit all my surfing needs.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

By the way Romona, the forum bug I was escribing happened to me at www.hydrogenaudio.org

Find a thread that has more than one page (because it's a long thread) and just click on the subject l ine to (which should bring you to the top of page one, like it does here). and enter the page.

I truly am not seeing many advantages to 7.1 over 7.02. None that are important to meanyway.

Anyone else have any bugs or quirks? Or feel free to list your impressions of netscape 7.1

 

Hi Kevin,

I accessed 5 threads on the site you cited, but still could not recreate what you describe. Each time the first page of the thread was loaded...

I am hoping that we would hear from more 7.1 users!

Ramona

 

Come on you Netscape 7.1 users, where are you???? lol. Don't make me hunt for you in the dark with a flashlight.

Ramona, I actually switched back to a program called Beonex Communicator. It is based on the 1.0.2 mozilla source code at the moment. It's a little different than Netscape in terms of features, but it looks a lot like netscape/mozilla (same skin).

But in Beonex you can tell it to not allow web sites to open unrequested windows (ad blocker, a little different than netscape). It also allows more security/prvacy by allowing to send a faked or no referrer when you go to web pages. I like it a lot. Just installed the shockwave full player to get flash for it and the java 2 runtime 1.41.2 or whatever that version is. If you're interested in it, or anyone else for that matter...go to www.beonex.com

Have a wonderful day!

 

Does this speed up 7.02??

IE: Running Windows 98SE and Netscape 7.1, I experience the resource leak. I keep trying different workarounds, and have found that setting the memory cache to 2048, via the user.js file, that the resource leak is improved, but still a problem. (user_pref( "browser.cache.memory.capacity ", 2048)

It is frustrating how slow it is and how much memory evidently takes. So I don't want to go to 7.1 yet. I have approx. 98mb ram. Maybe not enough but don't have bucks to upgrade.

Carol, in dc, adapting to 7.02 and finding some plus's among the frustration of things I miss in 4.7

 

Hi Carol,

You don't have to add the script to the user.js file in the 7.02 Release, as there is a Preference for both Memory Cache and Disk Cache:
Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cache
That you have, however, will do no harm, and you can leave it as is.

Netscape/Mozilla run much better with at least 128 MB RAM, although users with older systems report that the app. runs on as low as 64 MB RAM. Your processor speed also is indicative of how fast your applications run.

You might give Mozilla 1.02 a try, as Netscape 7.02 is based on this Mozilla Release. It is somewhat obsolete now, but will be a little faster than Netscape, sans AOL garbage. If you do decide to try Mozilla, be advised that you cannot share a Profile with Netscape. Create a unique Profile for Mozilla.

Mozilla 1.02 - Scroll to the bottom of the page for the Download.

Post back with any questions...

Ramona

 

Mozilla 1.3.1 might be worth a try too, but I am not sure how it compares to N7.02...

At least that memory leak would not be present (or is it)?

tranquilo

 

Relation of Mozilla and Netscape??

Frankly, I don't quite undersand the relation between the two of them? Two separate programs that work together but you can use various versions? I assume I just downloaded whatever version 7.02 was using the day I downloaded it - which was a day or two before the released 7.1. Carol

 

The automatic memory cache sizing started with Moz 1.4b -see
http://www.mozilla.org/quality/networking/docs/netprefs.html#cache
browser.cache.memory.capacity any integer (in bytes)
Replaced by automatic sizing in Mozilla 1.4b (bug 105344).
This value over-rides the application. (before, 4096K = default)

However the UI setting supposedly disappeared before then, in Moz 1.3a or 1.3b bug 105344 Comment #25

 

Carol,

Netscape is based on Mozilla. If you decide to try mozilla, you will notice they are similar. Of course, mozilla doesn't come with any of the plugins that netscape comes with, so you will have to search out what you need on your own. Mozilla is worth a look if you are curious.

http://www.mozilla.org

tranquilo

 

FWIW,

Setting the user_pref( "browser.cache.memory.capacity ", NNNN);

in the user.js writes to the prefs.js - and takes effect EVERY TIME you start NS.

In effect this will preclude any changes you make in about:config from becoming a "permanent" change.

Any change you make in "about:config" takes effect AND is WRITTEN to the prefs.js on exit....

When you re-start NS, any setting you make in user.js overwrites the prefs.js (change from about:config) and nullifies the change and you are back to the original user.js setting.

For this reason I suggest that you make the entry in the "prefs.js" NOT the user.js - any subsequent change thru the "about:config" will be recorded in the prefs.js on exit.

Further, if you want to make the change to become "default" setting and stop NS/Moz from calculating the cache size:

add the following line to the all-ns.js file

pref( "browser.cache.memory.capacity ", 4096);

use any number you want in place of the 4096

These are my observations regarding settings put in the user.js file and later changes made thru about:config or UI...

Hopefully this is of some value to others.

regards:

 

Just REMOVE the line in the user.js, if you don't want the setting there, then change the preference setting as follows (direct editing of the prefs.js should be avoided if possible)

In Netscape 7.02, or in Mozilla versions earlier than 1.3a, you still have the Memory Cache size setting available in the user interface:
Edit, preferences, Advanced, Cache, change the memory cache size there, AFTER you have removed any memory cache capacity line from the user.js.

In Netscape 7.1 or Mozilla 1.4 you can use about:config instead of the user.js
===============copy/paste=================
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204374#c69

1. browse to about:config
2. scroll down and look for browser.cache.memory.capacity. (It shouldn't be
there, but if it IS, right click, pick modify and change to 4096. skip next step.)
3. right click, pick NEW, pick INTEGER, type in browser.cache.memory.capacity,
click OK, type in 4096, click OK.
4. restart Mozilla.
=================end c/p==================
In both cases the changes should "stick" as long as there is no user.js line to overwrite the new setting.

PS: took me awhile to find but.....
References:
http://www.mozilla.org/catalog/end-user/customizing/briefprefs.html
http://mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#prefs

 

The original post refered to NS 7.1 -

My comments and suggestion remain correct. - having an entry in the user.js will nullifiy ANY changes made through the UI or about:config. when you restart NS. And that is exactly what I said. -

regards:

 

Yes, that's right, entries in the user.js will overwrite other changes made to preferences, next time you start Netscape. I never said otherwise.

I was responding to your statement:

Just wantesd to point out that there are other ways to edit your preferences besides a direct edit of the prefs.js file. The references I gave give all the details.

 

NS 7.1

Hi all,

Recently Ramona and Alice both helped me with setting up NS 7.1 and it works wonderfully allthough I am experiancing the recource leak as well this is the only noticable problem I am haveing with NS 7.1. In as much as I am a begginer in all areas I am still not comfortable with changeing memory cache settings. Ramona and Alice guided me through disk cache settings with no problems I knocked it down to 8 to start and have bummped it up to 10 and it seems to be doing fine but I do belive I need to alter the memory cache.
I did not try the work arounds yet for the resources problem as it seems from previous readings they dont help much!! I could stand to be corrected. Will a change in memory cache settings help? If so how do I go about that?

Regards all,

FireDancer


P.S. Liking NS 7.1 very much!!!!!

 

Hi FireDancer!

You might get other opinions but I would trust Ramona - She has posted complete information on the Netscape 7.1 memory cache workaround, here:
http://home.att.net/~cherokee67/ns71resrcleak.html

Look towards the bottom of the page for a link to more information on creating the user.js file.

 

HMMMMMM....

Hi Alice and Ramona,


Maybe im dumb but I followed the link you gave and in instructions it says to create a USER.js

Quote: The user.js is a file that you create, i.e., a user generated file. The creation of the file is simple enough. Open Notepad, and add the scripts for tweaks that you wish to include in your Netscape or Mozilla browser. Then save the file as user.js, to...

Windows 98
C:\Windows\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\profilename\xxxxxxxx.slt


did i miss something? my path looks like this...

C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default

and then next folder inside default is

1hr2uyhv.slt

I guess I dont get it!!!! LOL sheeesh dang beginners rofl can you help me to create this file? ha ha ha

Regards,
'FireDancer

 

"profilename" just means whatever you named your profile.

It could be Anything... "default" or "default user" could very well be a profile name. My two profile folders are named wymette and wyman, for me and my husband. Each profile name folder contains it's own xxxxxxxx.SLT folder asnd it's the SLT folder that contains your profile files like prefs.js, your bookmarks, as well as Mail folders containing mail server subfolders that hold your inbox, sent, etc. =See http://www.holgermetzger.de/pdl.html for details.

xxxxxxx.SLT (the actual name is a random combination) is where you would place the user.js file.

In your case, it would be inside that
C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\
1hr2uyhv.slt folder

 

Im Very Confused! for some reason

Hey there,

Im very confused and this is what I did.. hahahahaha hope i dont look to dumb.. anyways I belive I did it wrong


I opened note pad and in the note pad I typed

user_pref( "browser.cache.memory.capacity ", 2048

and then I saved it to

C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\1hr2uyhv.slt

now I have a user.js file in that folder and I am wondering how badly I did

Regards,
FireDancer