Flat Panel Monitor

Quite possibly I've painted myself into a corner due to my ignorance.
In spite of that I thought I'd throw my dilemma into the forum for others to chew on.

Getting what I considered to be a pretty good deal on the purchase of a Gateway Flat Panel Monitor FPD1500 which required the installation of a DVI card it now appears that my motherboard does not have the facility to incorporate such a card.
Below is an overview of my system.

Are there any options available for me or is the return/resale of the monitor my only choice.??????

Thanking you
roy66




Operating System System Model
Windows 98 Gateway
Processor a Main Circuit Board
400 megahertz Intel Celeron
32 kilobyte primary memory cache
128 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: Intel Corporation FJ440ZX AA729475-203
Serial Number: IMFJ92101392
Bus Clock: 66 megahertz
BIOS: Intel Corp. 4F4JZ0XB.15A.0008.P06.9906171056 06/17/99
Drives Memory Modules
8.43 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
2.48 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

IOMEGA ZIPCD 4x650 [CD-ROM drive]
TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1212 [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5 ")

Generic IDE hard disk drive (8.43 GB) -- drive 0 192 Megabytes Installed Memory
128 Megabyte Module Size - 1 Installed
64 Megabyte Module Size - 1 Installed
Local Drive Volumes

c: (on drive 0) 8.43 GB 2.48 GB free

Network Drives


Controllers Printers
Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) HP DeskJet 710C Series on LPT1:

Display
ATI Rage 128 VR AGP (English) [Display adapter]
Plug and Play Monitor
Bus Adapters Multimedia
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller Creative Gameport Joystick
Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI 64D
SB AudioPCI 64D Legacy Device
Wave Device for Voice Modem
Communications Other Devices
56K PCI Voice Modem SF-1156IV+ R9A PCI Modem Enumerator
Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 4100C
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
OpticalMouse2 (PS/2)
USB Root Hub

 

Not sure, have not delt with this before but......

If dvi is "digital video interface card "? Is that what it is?

If so then you are installing 2 video cards.

Then probabaly you should uninstall the ATI Rage! Leaving only the DVI.

Keep this in mind but wait for more imput from others on the BBS.

If none then try the above, it can always be reversed again!

Mike

 

Thanks Mike,

Will heed your counsel.

Roy66

 

Is the original Video Card a separate circuit board, or a chip on the motherboard?

If it's a separate card, you will need to remove it and place the DVI card in the slot where the original card was seated.

If it's a chip on the motherboard you may need to disable it in BIOS in order to get your new video card to work, BIOS differ from machine to machine, so you would have to consult your manual to see how you would disable the card on your specific machine.

Before doing this you should boot up your machine and go to the Device manager, and delete the video card shown under Display Adapters from there... that should replace the card specific drivers with standard VGA drivers, which means the system should be ready for the new drivers for the new graphics card.

 

"Is the original Video Card a separate circuit board, or a chip on the motherboard? "

Dear Laage,

Good point, one that seems to have been overlooked.
A casual peek suggests that I may not have a card as such so the chip factor looks a very real possibility and therefore your advice on how to handle this should prove to be helpful and essential.

I am treading very carefully here at the moment until I can gather enough input to get the courage to face the challenge.

This response is a "thankyou" to ALL and to let you know I have received and appreciate the input thus far.

Thanks a million
roy66

p.s.
Just checked the handbook.....it says..Integrated ATI Rage 128VR AGP video.

 

I have been able to ascertain that the the video card is integrated.
Some one has come up with this suggestion, how goes it with you.

The easist way to solve your problem would be to drive down to a major retailer and tell them you need a "PCI graphics card with a DVI connector" and let them show you what they have in stock.

Below is a recomended possibility.

RAD7500P64 PCI Radeon 7500 64MB DDR Video Card w/ TV-Out, VGA & DVI Outputs.

As I have SDRAM would the DDR of this card create a conflict.???
Thanks
roy66

 

It shouldn't be necessary to buy a PCI graphics card. Usually when you have an integrated AGP card, there's also a free AGP slot on the motherboard, if you should choose to install a separate card... the only reason why you would choose a PCI graphics card was if you wanted to run with two monitors simultaneously - and I don't think that's the case here...

You should open up your case and look at the slots available there - if you have a tower case (including mini and midi towers) the topmost slot should be brown instead of white and placed a little further from the back panel than the regular PCI (white/cream) slots, if you have such a slot you should just go with an AGP card.

I do believe some BIOS/Motherboards automatically detect whether or not the slot is occupied and if it is automagically disables the on board graphics card, on others you would have to disable the on board chip either via the BIOS or a jumper directly on the motherboard.

Concerning the RAM, the memory on your (stand alone) graphics card is completely separate from your System RAM, so there is no risk of conflicts there.

(some motherboards with built in graphics chips do share RAM between the processor and the graphics chip, but even if this was true for your motherboard it would become a moot point the moment you disabled the on board chip.)

Btw, are you sure that you need a DVI port at all, most of the smaller flat panel screens I've seen have either had both D-Sub (standard 15 pin connector) and DVI connections or D-Sub only - however I would still recommend a DVI card as you will probably get a better image quality than with the D-Sub.

 

Thanks Laage,

I think you have it covered in your previous posting that I will need to disable via BIOS as I definitely do not have AGP slots.

The PCI option is all that is available and thanks for clarifying the non conflict with the two different RAM systems.

I was told that the Gateway FPD monitor required a DVI card and the cable is a DVI digital single link.

Thanks everyone for your help.

I will get back to you once I get it up and running.

roy66

 

Roy66 is THIS the monitor you've bought?

If that's the case, you do not need a DVI graphics card, because it's only got a standard analog D-SUB connector.

 

http://five22.fairmarketnetwork.com.au/scripts/ListingInfo.asp?LotNo=4974721&BatchNo=0


Thanks Laage for your concern...the only specs I have are whats posted on the above site.

Many monitors...but mine it states needs the DVI

 

To: ALL

I have a Gateway Computer & Win98

My Computer MOB has no AGP slots and came with integrated Rage128

I purchased a Gateway FPD 1500 Monitor that requires a video card with DVI.

A PCI card with DVI is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to get here in Australia.

The Radeon 7500 64mb DDR has been recommended but in PCI even in the US they aren't plentiful.

Understanding the implications of the above and the difficulty I am "currently" experiencing in acquiring a/the card.......IS THERE an alternative. Do I have another option????

Would (if such is available) I be able to purchase an adapter to plug into the current Monitor socket on my computer that has the appropriate socket for the cable of this FPD 1500 Monitor and let the integrated Rage128 do its work. and let the integrated Rage128 do its work.and let the integrated Rage128 do its work.
Is that possible????

The cable that came with the monitor is "style 20276 VW-1" DVI digital single link space shuttle-c.......if that means anything to you. C129 and AWM E101344 are other numbers on the cable.

The PC connection end of this cable has 2 seperated banks of 9 pins ea and 1 seperate flat pin....19 in all therefore an adapter would need to be female to mate.

ALL POSSIBLE options considered.


Alternatively would a different monitor lead that fits into both the FPD1500 AND my current socket on my computer do the job.

I really am not in a position to fork out money unnecessarily and any purchses I make from the US or elswhere overseas become highly inflated due to currency exchange rates.

I have NOT negated any previous input provided and TRULY APPRECIATE every contribution, however I am searching for every option available and believe me I have not been idle.

Physically visiting the limited number of computer outlets in my area, listing URL's from computer magazines and newspapers and endlessly searching online has not yet given a LOT of hope so I am back here again for other POSSIBLE OPTIONS.


Thanks for you considerationand input.
roy66

 

DVI adapter

I looked at Gateway USA web site and they do not list any Gateway LCD monitors of your description for seperate sale. A search for FPD 1500 did not find anything - only FPD 1520 which is analog.

Try this link to identify your connectors.

http://web.belkin.com/config/cable/connector.asp?sid=418082028&type=monitor

I have some DVI adapters but none have the 19 pins that you describe. I use ATI and Matrox AGP cards with dual output (they accept Analog 15 pin and DVI 17 Pin connectors)My concern here is that even if you are able to buy a PCI DVI card IT MIGHT NOT FIT on the cable that comes with your monitor. Perhaps that Gateway cable is propriatory?

If I were you I would send it back if I could. You are going to have a tough time to make it fit your computer.

An alternative to an ATI PCI graphics card is a Matrox dual display card - you can then use your old monitor on one connector and the LCD on the other.

Here is the distibutor in Aus.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AUSTRALIA

Focal Point Computing Pty Ltd.
82 Parsons Street
Kensington, VIC 3031
Tel.: 613-9372-6600
Fax: 613-9372-6900
E-mail: sfpc@focalpoint.com.au

This is the card you are looking for.
Matrox Millennium G450 PCI
Part number G45+MDHP16DB
Price = 115 US$ (to expensive for your needs!)

I find my Matrox dual display cards ( I have 4) much better than the ATI dual displays that I use - eventhough the Matrox cards have only half the memory of the ATI's!.

And after all this info, I still suggest you send it back and get a LCD with analog (15pin) connector. It might just save you from getting sucked into something where you have to spend much more than you bargained for.

Good luck
Len

 

Thanks Len for all that info.

It takes me back to my initial posting.
Flagellation by computer technology.

roy66

 

HOW do I upload an image into my posting please.

thanks
roy66

 

Images

I seem to remember that we cannot upload images to the BBS.
Someone asked this question after the BBS was rebuilt at the end of last year I think. Perhaps it has to do with security issues?
If we could upload images I'm sure we would see many more than what we are - which is "0 "!
Sorry, I wish we could but don't think we can.
Off to bed now - regards, Len

 

Arie! LOL!

Spare us the details next time, we don't have all day you know!

Lol,lol!
Mike

 

To ALL WHO VISIT.

Ongoing research has revealed that the adapter/connector at http://www.si87.com/www_store/merch...ST&Store_Code=1 Adapter 5002: DVI-I Female to HD15 Male that is available will not be suitable IN THIS INSTANCE because it does not have the capacity to CONVERT analog to digital.

There is a CONVERTER that will do the job http://store.kayye.com/kayye/vgatodvicon.html at a price............. 300 bucks US....roughly AU$540

The other option is the installation of a video/graphics card with a DVI connection at about half the price though I have seen them available for around AU$ 130-170

My problem is obviously a rare one and has confounded numerous tech nerds so my research could be invaluable to others.

I must acknowledge the numerous contributions received from various sources that has ultimately assisted in me resourcing enough information to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

Thank you all
roy66

 

To ALL WHO VISIT.

Ongoing research has revealed that the adapter/connector at http://www.si87.com/www_store/merch...ST&Store_Code=1 Adapter 5002: DVI-I Female to HD15 Male that is available will not be suitable IN THIS INSTANCE because it does not have the capacity to CONVERT analog to digital.

There is a CONVERTER that will do the job http://store.kayye.com/kayye/vgatodvicon.html at a price............. 300 bucks US....roughly AU$540

The other option is the installation of a video/graphics card with a DVI connection at about half the price though I have seen them available for around AU$ 130-170

My problem is obviously a rare one and has confounded numerous tech nerds so my research could be invaluable to others.

I must acknowledge the numerous contributions received from various sources that has ultimately assisted in me resourcing enough information to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion.

Thank you all
roy66