Dual Boot W98SE w XPHome as same 'Update?

It will probably be a little while longer . But I am reading up on XP before I install the XP udgrade edition I have with the present W98SE 4.2222.A system here.

[ ]The XP HomeEdition Upgrade - if I utilize a third party boot application,start the XP HomeEdition as 'NEW install, would it be feasable to keep the W98SE as a second bootable operating system on the same machine.?

This isn't a 'how to question,just a 'what-if question. Im not so ready to part with the applications,and work I have for the w98SE here,as some projects are not completed,or are in the works. XP has the HQ 'hardware quality situations,wich I will certainly have to deal with having a few 'out of stat . Drivers on the Kt7 AMD 1300 mhrz machine here. Applications simply will not install on an XP system (least as far as I can tell) for/from the W98 default application disks - wich I have already payed for in their own W98 versions.

[ ]If feasable would this be a liscencing conflict,or a mute point since neither of the software generated 'operating systems would run at the same session,although It may be highly likely that partitions will be noticable to either of them consequentially.?

Im not quite sure how to set up the XP as far as using the NTFS file system.Specifically if 'all of the file system for the generic XPHome must be an either,or proposition NTFS,or FAT32.I can probably work with both.XPHome doesn't have all that much featureset as does the Prof.Vers.

Would be most frugal thing to do as far as costwise least until I can purchase a new computer,or hardware.And yet Im not sure still the XPhome cant still wait. Again though another system platform will mean making decisions on the 'newer stuff..AMD64,64-bit XP...PCI-e and so on.Looking at a medium between the future proof machine I will have in the future keeping this for a running while longer.Though certainly taking the W98SE offline is in my plans.Either way.


Will have a separate drive for the XPHome Upgrade to begin a 'New Install on the drive.

There are some drive utilities can convert NTFS,to FAT32,....nother time for question though.

 

Hello KaleidiScope,

File System question:
If you're going to dual boot, XP's files system should be FAT32 - 98 will not be able to access any of XP's NTFS files. XP will be able to access 98's in any case.

When you format that new drive, use Fdisk prior to that install. How big would that drive be?

Boot loader question:
The XP install will detect 98 and create a boot loader with a defualt 30 second timeout. XP will be the defualt boot unless you pick 98 in that timeout interval.

Will have a separate drive for the XPHome Upgrade to begin a 'New Install on the drive.
Good, the easiest way. 98 has to be on C.

Software licensing conflicts:
Depends. If you have a license, can be installed on XP and apply the license. Obviously you're not going to run both OS's at the same time.

Software such as AV's, if they have on-line registration, you'll have to get a new copy just for that installation.

Regards - Charles

 

KaleidiScope, Here's a site with some more information that should help you. Make a topic selection on the right.

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Hi You People

[ Liscence Q.]This 'will be a Upgraded version of XPHome edition. So idea of 'liscence,would be the W98 version wich XPHome will ask of 'verifying,and is installed on the C: drive.

[ Dual Boot Configuration Q.] .1. Is there 'anything I must' do to the present installation when I would be attempting to install the Upgrade Version on a separate drive ?
.1.a. The present drive has 4 partitions on it. Of wich I would not like to use ''any'' of them for the XPHome upgrade.A search here at windowsbb in 'dual boot'' tells of idea of ''must have'' a chosen start on drive ''D" for the instalation.
.1.a.1.Can Win98 be 'running in order to begin the XPHomeEdition installation ? Or must the computer be simply started from the disk,as set within Bios to 'boot from CD-rom ?
.2. Could I just detach the W98Drive,and reattache it after XPHomeis installed ?
.2.a.This brings the question of if done so would XPHome still have settings available within "Startup and Recovery "system applet to 'choose the operating system ? Can this be chosen and used from XPHome Upgrade ? Files/information/configuration enough to have XP Utilize the setting.?
.2.b.How about disabling the 'active partition,then 'reenabling it from the W98 on the 'c drive ?
Seems like a no brainer to have a sophicated operating system still meanering the control of a single parameter of 'c'' to find itself.
[ NTFS File System] NTFS cannot be changed back to FAT32 true,but with the Upgrade Disc infos I have,it tells of a 'NEW install,wich will be either 'all of the systems disk format,or 'none'' of the systems disk format. Know anything about this.?
[ How big would that drive be?]
My preference would be to have from an 80gb disk,a 20,20,20,10,10 file system with the last 3 FAT32 (or 1/2 the disk).The second disk is a new drive - WD special edition 8 mb cache. Wich will have to run on this ATA66 board. Any comment of partitionin utilities for a new drive ...e.g.WDLifeGaurd Onboard Unknown verses default Upgrade partitioning..Any comment concerning ACPI defaults with the instation
Apreciate your help and replies.

 

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Liscence Q.]This 'will be a Upgraded version of XPHome edition. So idea of 'liscence,would be the W98 version wich XPHome will ask of 'verifying,and is installed on the C: drive.
You can do the install while in 98 - the XP install won't even ask for proof of an earlier version of windows that way.

Dual Boot Configuration Q.] .1. Is there 'anything I must' do to the present installation when I would be attempting to install the Upgrade Version on a separate drive ?
No.

.1.a. The present drive has 4 partitions on it. Of wich I would not like to use ''any'' of them for the XPHome upgrade.A search here at windowsbb in 'dual boot'' tells of idea of ''must have'' a chosen start on drive ''D" for the instalation.
No, the Xp install can be on any drive letter - when you install the new drive, install on whatever that drive letter is.

.1.a.1.Can Win98 be 'running in order to begin the XPHomeEdition installation ? Or must the computer be simply started from the disk,as set within Bios to 'boot from CD-rom ?
Yes, 98 can be running - see above.

.2. Could I just detach the W98Drive,and reattache it after XPHomeis installed ?
What for? No need.

.2.a.This brings the question of if done so would XPHome still have settings available within "Startup and Recovery "system applet to 'choose the operating system ? Can this be chosen and used from XPHome Upgrade ? Files/information/configuration enough to have XP Utilize the setting.?
Yes, you can make it the default OS in that boot menu I was wrote about earlier, if that's your question

.2.b.How about disabling the 'active partition,then 'reenabling it from the W98 on the 'c drive ?
No need.

NTFS File System] NTFS cannot be changed back to FAT32 true,but with the Upgrade Disc infos I have,it tells of a 'NEW install,wich will be either 'all of the systems disk format,or 'none'' of the systems disk format. Know anything about this.?
You're going to have to explain that a little more.

How big would that drive be?]
My preference would be to have from an 80gb disk,a 20,20,20,10,10 file system with the last 3 FAT32 (or 1/2 the disk).The second disk is a new drive - WD special edition 8 mb cache. Wich will have to run on this ATA66 board. Any comment of partitionin utilities for a new drive ...e.g.WDLifeGaurd Onboard Unknown verses default Upgrade partitioning..Any comment concerning ACPI defaults with the instation
Apreciate your help and replies.
You write 80gb disk,a 20,20,20,10,10 file system with the last 3 FAT32 (or 1/2 the disk).
1st, you're making this overly complicated - I would get XP installed and then partition the drive afterwards, a fairly long time afterwards, learn to walk before you run, but that's up to you.

Why do you want to mix FAT and NTFS partitions, which would lock out 98 from the NTFS partitions? Yes, there any number of partitioning programs, the one you mentioned and Partition Magic which I've used.

BTW, when I've used PM, I created a 12gig partition for the OS, and the rest for userdata. I did that from one OS to partition the OS/drive that wasn't running, much cleaner, much easier.

FYI: I used to dual boot WinME with XP until I replaced it with another XP.

Regards - Charles

 

NTFS File System] NTFS cannot be changed back to FAT32 true,but with the Upgrade Disc infos I have,it tells of a 'NEW install,wich will be either 'all of the systems disk format,or 'none'' of the systems disk format. Know anything about this.?
You're going to have to explain that a little more.

How big would that drive be?]
My preference would be to have from an 80gb disk,a 20,20,20,10,10 file system with the last 3 FAT32 (or 1/2 the disk).The second disk is a new drive - WD special edition 8 mb cache. Wich will have to run on this ATA66 board. Any comment of partitionin utilities for a new drive ...e.g.WDLifeGaurd Onboard Unknown verses default Upgrade partitioning..Any comment concerning ACPI defaults with the instation
Apreciate your help and replies.
You write 80gb disk,a 20,20,20,10,10 file system with the last 3 FAT32 (or 1/2 the disk).
1st, you're making this overly complicated - I would get XP installed and then partition the drive afterwards, a fairly long time afterwards, learn to walk before you run, but that's up to you.

You know there are a lot of hand holders on the sidewalk there.My only reading materials is an XP Pro book. It states utilizing application partition,data partition,op.sys.partition for a dual boot scenario with nothing noted for a W98SE/XPHome Upgrade .
While currently in W98 I prefer several desparate 'program partitions (had uninstalled program one time blow my c drives 'programs off), with gaming partition,and work partition wich I could prefer to keep 'locked down.
NTFS poses another problem in the utilities available. So taking what I consider 'task,at present isn't exactly what will be sequential rule in XPHome,XPPro . Installation may be simple. But look ahead is a great 'practice to do.
Seeing as though FAT32 will be utilized,wont appear to be plenty of 'features available as with NTFS - and therefore the interaction wont be subject to those features between W98SE,and XP. Some of that will be transparent,but the 'tasks are self explanatory . Many wich I would like to ''anticipate''. Dont know it cant 'task it''.
[ FAT32 Q]-> FAT32 cant have a single 80Gbyte partition,or so I thought.Though I find using an up and running op.sys.preferable to 'Fdisk of course for partitioning. What about that FAT32 partition limit by simply installing it 80Gbytes for get go ? With W98SE there was this KB saying xlimit,and ylimit,but I figured 20 was max I could go for W98SE FAT32 partition . FAT32 Limitation different under XPHome ?

Note:Im still using the subjective PC133 ram here on a 100Mhz bus for the MB.(just being subjective).The KT7 can use 1.5 gbytes of ram max.And as with 'knowing a little more about the XPUpgrade 'all NTFS,or 'all FAT32,I'll have to re-read that.The user manual said something of them same to the option of "NEW "install.

Good to know I can do the same C drive op.sys with the XPHomeUpgrade on another different drive and not conscerned to 'a fdsik 'd:drive. Would just have to take XPHomeUpgrade back to the store in any event the W98SE could not remain unscathed.

Dont get a lot of op.sys.chat.Im not liscenced to a A+ or anything like this.Again have the book (A+ Certification),but W2000 is now looking like XP-64 bit.I read like a monk. Am broke like one most time.

PS.Hitting the on button to my HP1350 AIO printer creates a zillion extra drives. ie;problem forthcomming.

 

FAT32 limitation:

If you use the XP install disc to format the drive as FAT32, that is what is limted to 32GB.

Had to look this up because I didn't remember what the fdisk limit was: if you use fdisk to create the FAT32 partition, the limit is 64 GB http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=263044

The fdisk command is to create an Extended or Large disk support FAT 32 partition http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q255867

So you can create 2 partitions then.

Regards - Charles

 

The second hardrive will probably show up in W98SE,but wont be able to use it under W98SE. But will have a venerable letter at the same XPUpgrade install of wich to choose and format it.

I hope.Printer will be off in my install session of course.

Just one more note.

[ BIOS Drive 0,1 Q ] The BIOS has an option of choosing the boot drive. Physical Drive 0,Drive 1 etc.

Will this BIOS setting be a hindress to running/setting up the dual boot XPUpgrad Installation configuration session.Or ignored by it.?

[ Cable Select,or Master/Slave Q] I prefer 'cable select for both drives. However I really dont know what this means (cable select).For performance,interaction comparison with setting the 'Master/Slave configuration scenario while using the dual boot XPUpgrade install program. Comparison to running it XPInstalation Program with Cable select,or Master/Slave.

Both drives will be on the high speed cable for the MB.

 

Good Morning KaleidiScope,

The second hardrive will probably show up in W98SE,but wont be able to use it under W98SE. But will have a venerable letter at the same XPUpgrade install of wich to choose and format it.
The 2nd HD should be recognized by 98 and be usable as long as it's FAT32, do the fdisk formating BEFORE the install. Once you've established the partition and is usable by 98, then you insert the install disc, which will ask you where you want to install.

A colleague on this board has written to me saying that fdisk's limit is two terrabytes - 2000 MB's - and if you look at the first MS doc, that seems to be the case. Since I've never created a FAT32 partitiion greater than 40 GB, can't say from personal experience. And I took a closer look at that MS doc on the 64GB limit - the doc is saying if the problem shows up, so I would proceed to create the 80GB partition.

BIOS Drive 0,1 Q ] The BIOS has an option of choosing the boot drive. Physical Drive 0,Drive 1 etc.
That's fine the way it is.

The XP install will create something called a boot.ini, which is always on C (drive 0).

Cable Select,or Master/Slave Q] I prefer 'cable select for both drives. However I really dont know what this means (cable select).
It means the OS will select internally which is master/slave. That would be my preference. Is this a Dell?

Regards - Charles

 

Whos to tell

Is this a Dell ?

No this computer says 'Saucepan Casserole Cazuela on it. Says 'Made in USA ".Whos to tell ...a sticker from a saucepan I bought.

Antec TruePower 350Watt
Abit KT7 w AMD 1333
WD 40 GB - later add WD 80 GB
WSE 4.10.2222.A
640 MB PC 133
Plextor PX-712 A DVD-RW
Creative 52X CD Rom
Audigy II Sound Blaster Sound Card
Linksys Gigabyte Ethernet
ATI 64MB DDR VIVO AGP 4x
KDS 700 Display (17" ")

DSL,HP 1350 AIO printer.

...the BIOS I used from ABITS website its last revision from for the KT7 board runs hotter than the version I had . Last revision dated april 2002 -version 9. The ZT version I replaced was dated July 2001. Some swing of 15 degrees,along with the latest Via Hyperion 4in1...V55 drivers.... [insert wildhair emoticon here ] 15 degrees 111 c average at start verses 98 average at start (Abit V9 April 2002 vrs ZT July 2001 respectively).
....ya know though..Thanks a bunch. Ill post some results when I finally put the op.sys.on.