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Configuring Hardware Firewall

Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by Christer, 2005/10/31.

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Hello all!

    A friend of mine has bought a ZyXEL P-334WT wireless broadband router and firewall. One or two computers will be 'hard wired' and one or two computers via wireless. I'm in the middle of it, trying to get it to work but being the lazy bugger I am, I ask questions on the Windows BBS ...... :eek: ...... rather than reading the 456 pages Users Guide.

    Regarding the encryption, I believe that 64-bit WEP is good enough for home use. It is only there to prevent totally free access to the network by anyone 'driving by'.

    Regarding the firewall, there are a lot of settings and the user would need a degree in 'mumbo-jumbo' to understand it and get it right. The question is what level of protection will be the result of simply enabling the firewall with default settings (whatever those are)?

    Firewall rules;

    - LAN to WAN, default is to forward all traffic. Certain traffic can be blocked. Is it a consideration for the home user?

    - WAN to LAN, default is to block all traffic. Certain traffic can be forwarded. Is it a consideration for the home user?

    - I understand the latter rule as 'inbound traffic which is not the result of a request from a computer on the LAN' being blocked, right?

    Thanks for your time,
    Christer
     
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    I agree about the use of WEP.

    The firewall defaults are basically the same as the XP-SP2 firewall defaults. If those are OK for the user then you are good to go.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    There is a software firewall (NIS) behind the router and I guess that the hardware firewall is not considered to be the 'primary' but an additional layer of protection. Dispensing with the software firewall would not be an option unless the user knows how to properly configure the hardware firewall.

    The main issue is to get two to four computers to share a broadband connection. The ISP identifies the user by the MAC address of the NIC. I didn't know of that possibility and it took a while before I found out that the MAC address of the 'licensed computer' had to be transfered to the router ...... :eek: ...... can you tell that I'm new at this?

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    I was only comparing the defaults on the hardware firewall to the ones you find in the XP SP2 software version rather than suggesting you avoid using any firewall(s) you have.

    If they have NIS then I would keep the hardware one enabled for inbound traffic since it is less likely to ever be disabled by a critter. Outbound and unless you match the hardware rules to the ones in NIS, stuff will quit working.

    Without knowing the specifics of the ISP's operations it's impossible to give you THE answer but in general,
    - some ISPs will auto-change to the routers MAC if you boot the cable modem while the router is not connected then connect it.
    - other ISPs will only do the change manually and you'll have to contact them to say you have a new device with a different MAC.

    Note that some ISPs don't want you to be able to use a router with NAT to run multiple PCs and can recognize a MAC address as belonging to a certain make of hardware do they can refuse.

    Best idea if your device supports the feature is to figure out what MAC the ISP has registered (from the NIC of the first PC to connect) and then Clone that address so your router makes the ISP see the MAC it expects rather than the actual router MAC.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    I understand this as the hardware firewall blocking all inbound (default) will take most of the work load off NIS and the hardware firewall forwarding all outbound (default) will not interfere with NIS.

    I was at my friends place (some 150 km away from my home) one evening during the weekend and neither did I know the specifics of the ISP's operations at that time. I tried booting the modem-router-computer in all permutations of order but no success.

    My research of yesterday revealed that it had something to do with the MAC address. The FAQ's at their website had a note that a new NIC would equal a new MAC address and a fee would be charged to change the one logged with them (necessary to make it work again). That's when I started reading a few of the 456 pages in the manual and found out about 'spoofing' the MAC address from the computer by telling the router the IP address of said computer. I have worked out instructions on how to do it and mailed to my friend. Have not yet heard of the success ...... :rolleyes: ...... or otherwise.

    Thanks for confirming what I thought that I 'knew'!

    Christer
     
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    Glad to 'help' even if it only amounted to confirmation.

    The spoofing/cloning bit should work.

    When broadband was fairly new in the US most of the ISPs wanted you to pay for each PC you connected and they hated the idea of a router /w NAT since that meant you were somehow cheating them of $$$. The MAC thing and a charge for changing was common even though it is about a 5 second job for a tech at the ISP.

    These days I don't think many of the major ISPs are even trying it. They will simply use whatever MAC presents itself and they understand that bunches of us are running NAT'd routers.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Newt,
    your help was more than confirming my findings!

    It's difficult to help people with an issue that you know 'nothing' about and have to research, especially when you do it from a distance via e-mail. Your information indicates that I'm not leading my friend astray.

    The fact that the ISP charge something like $30 to change the MAC address means that a new computer would invoke that cost. It wouldn't even be possible to own two computers, e.g. one desktop and one laptop and connect them alternatingly to the internet.

    I've read a bit more in their FAQ's and they do recommend a router to be able to connect more than one computer.

    I have also searched the Windows BBS and found Router, NAT, Firewall discussion which was written by a distinguished member of the staff. Very informative and I believe it answers most of my questions. I'll have to reread it though!

    Christer
     
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    Distinguished? Curmudgeonly old buzzard, more like. :D
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Well,
    I was in grovelling mode ...... :p ...... !

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