Can't seem to find driver on 98se

HELP!!!

I recently had to do a re-install on my 98se. computer. Prior to this I was running the 98 as a client to my WindowsXP host computer. The connection uses a router(Linksys BEFSR41) The sharing of the internet connection was working great, even tho the sharing and "seeing" of the other machine didn't always work properly.

Now I'm not able to get the 98 to connect at all to the internet! The error message that comes up when I try to manually connect to the internet is... "EOO41:Failed on Create Devise: NT2[or S] PPP3" It seems that Windows can not find the driver for networking. The floppy that came with the router says that it doesn't have the driver on it and that I should be able to get it at ..C:/Windows/Options/CABS...but it can't find it there either!

I AM SO CONFUSSED!!

I'm afraid that I've made so many changes in settings while trying to get this set up, that I'll need to do another re-install to start from to scratch again!

Q.#1. Do you think I should do another re-install?

Q.#2. What would be the easiest way to reconnect to the network?

Any help will be greatly appriciated!!
Shedy

PS> this is my first post, although I have found several other great answers to other questions!! You guys are super!!!!

 

Shedy,

Welcome to the board! First of all, I would hold off on the re-install. Have you checked your Protocols in your network? Do you have NetBeui (something like that) listed? Are your system on the same Workgroup? Did you enable file sharing?

I have the same router and a XP and 98 system networked just like you want. I have no problems seeing each system and it's files. The Internet connection has been flawless. My network actually works better now then it did with two Win98 systems. Go figure.

Mike

 

XP host & 98 client when useing a router switch? Why? You certainly don't need or want ICS when you have the BEFSR41 that will do the job lots better.

 

Thanks M.Mike!

First I have to tell you that I was able to get the 98 back on-line. It turned out that when I did the complete Windows re-install, something from my DSL program dissappeared. I ened up un-installing my DSL program and then re-installing it, and viola' I'm back on-line!!

You wrote;

Have you checked your Protocols in your network? Do you have NetBeui (something like that) listed? Are your system on the same Workgroup? Did you enable file sharing?

My networking still isn't working right, tho! When I open Network Place in XP, I can see the share files from the 98, but can't open them. If I go "up" to see work group, only the XP shows. On the 98, when I open Network I can see the 98 but that's all. They are both listed as being in the same work group.

I'm not sure about Protocols....where do I find them? I have NO idea about NetBeui!!!

I'm really NOT good at the terminology that goes along with computering! (Can you tell? LOL) I've only been on the puter for 2 and a half years and almost completely self taught, with the help of some great people who've been willing to share their expertice with me. People just like you and the other great people on this site!

Any further help would be greatly appriciated!! Since we have the same systems going, can I occasionally pick you brain for help?

Thanks again
Shedy

 

HI Newt!

Thanks, but can you please explain what you mean? As I said in my previous post I'm lousy at the terminology!!

You Wrote:
XP host & 98 client when useing a router switch? Why? You certainly don't need or want ICS when you have the BEFSR41 that will do the job lots better.

What is ICS and why don't I want it? Your right I do want the easiest and best way to be connected. I'm just not sure how to go about it!

I'll take all the help I can get!! I do really want to learn!

Thanks Again
Shedy

 

You had said, "Prior to this I was running the 98 as a client to my WindowsXP host computer. The connection uses a router(Linksys BEFSR41) " and I assumed the use of host & client indicated you were running that way. You aren't though from what you say. Good.

As to ICS (internet connection sharing) - it is just a slower, clunkier way to do what the router will do for you. And trying to use both would seriously confuse your system and is a terrible idea.

Moving right along, lets take this thing one step at a time. And you certainly do not need to think about a reinstall at this point and hopefully not at all.

First, make sure your network card is installed and that the PC can see/use it. And to tell you how to do that I'll have to talk about the Protocols thing again. They are simply the language your network card uses to talk to others. Since the internet will require the TCP/IP protocol (language) lets start there.
- right-click the network neighborhood icon and click Properties.
- right-click the network adapter (may be called something else in 98 but it's probably the only device you'll see) and click properties.
- You should see a list of stuff that's loaded on the network card (NIC). Hopefully one of those will be TCP/IP.
- If you don't see TCP/IP, post back since there's more work to do.

If you do see it then you can test to make sure the PC and the NIC are happy with each other. As follows:
- start~run~command to open a DOS window
- ping 127.0.0.1 and you should see a response that includes 4 lines similar to (not exact maybe but similar)

Pinging 127.0.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128

Try that and post back with what you find.

 

Well Newt, I guess I'm worse at the terminology than I thought! Sorry about that!

OK...I followed your instuctions and this is what I found;

There are 6 listings with TCP/IP in front of them. They are

TCP/IP-> Dial-Up Adapter
TCP/IP-> Dial-Up Adapter #2(VPN Support)
TCP/IP-> HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
TCP/IP-> Internet Connection Sharing
TCP/IP-> mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
TCP/IP-> Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC

With the last one showing the NIC at the end I think maybe that's the one we need...Right? When I opened Properties for that one, It showed a bunch(7) tabs, but the first one opened had a place for IP #'s but it was empty.

I went ahead and tried the rest of your instructions and sure enough I did get almost exactly what you said should be there.

The only difference was on your lines it has <1ms TTl=128, and on mine it was <1Oms TTL=128.

There are 4 lines of this and then some other info below that. Do you need to know what else was there?

I think you are just what I need!! I need someone who can walk me through this step by step! Thank You BIG TIME!!!

BTW...We are from the same Generation! It sure isn't X!!!

 

Shedy,

Good to hear that the 98 system is back on-line. Do you have File and Printer sharing enabled? When you right click on a drive, select the sharing tab, is the drive marked as a shared drive? Are your systems named differently? They should have the same workgroup name, but different system name? For example, upstairs and downstairs.

Hopefully, this doesn't confuse you, but these are my settings. For the XP system. Click on My Network Places and then under Network Tasks (upper left side of screen), click on View Network Connections. Right click on Local Area Connection and choose Properties. In the second box, I have the following listed:

Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing for Micro. Net.
QoS Packet Scheduler
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) Click Properties on this and look at the General tab. Do you have Obtain an IP Address Automatically and Obtain DNS Server... both check?

For my 98 system. Go to Start/Settings/Control Panel. Open Network. Under Configuration, this is what I have listed:

Client for Microsoft Network
Microsoft Family Logon
Dail-Up Adapter
Netgear Adapter
NetBEUI -> Dail-Up Adapter
NetBEUI -> Netgear Adapter
TCP/IP -> Dail-Up...
TCP/IP -> Netgear...
File and Printer Sharing...

Do you have similiar entries?

Any time! Just post here or send me a personal message. Glad to help in any way.

Mike

 

TCP/IP-> Dial-Up Adapter
TCP/IP-> Dial-Up Adapter #2(VPN Support)
TCP/IP-> HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
TCP/IP-> Internet Connection Sharing
TCP/IP-> mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
TCP/IP-> Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The two lines in bold are both for real, physical network cards. If you don't have two in your PC then one is left over from something. The terms "fast ethernet NIC" and "fast ethernet adapter" are just different ways of saying the same thing.

The PPPoE (Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet) adapter is probably something your ISP needs to allow you to talk to their stuff and then out to the internet.

The others are just sitting there but shouldn't cause any problems and you won't see any real benefit usually by deleting them. But do check to make real sure that ICS (internet connection sharing) is not checked/active on your XP PC. If you aren't sure how to do that, go into help & support and search for ICS. There should be instructions for setting it up that will point you to the right place.

Now onward.

The ping results you got indicate only that the NIC (network card) is recognized by the PC and that TCP/IP is properly installed. Good first step but only that. It does greatly narrow the possible range of things that could be wrong.

Based on the fact that you appear to have (or did have) several NICs in this PC, check the back carefully to make sure there is only one place to plug in a network card. If there are two you just may be plugged into the wrong one.

Post back on that and we'll proceed.

 

NIC plug

Hi Newt,

Sorry it's taken me so long to back to you. Life just kept getting in the way!!

Anyway....I checked at the back of my tower and there is only one place to plug the network wire into, so if I understood you correctly, I'm plugged into the right place.


If memory serves... TCP/IP-> Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC ..... is the card that went in when we installed the network originally! The other HP card< I think, was in there when we bought this thing.

I hope this info helps!!

Thanks Again!
Shedy

 

HI M. Mike

Once again I appoligize for taking so long to reply. Life??? Go Figure!!

They should have the same workgroup name, but different system name? For example, upstairs and downstairs.

I think you have something there!! While checking these setting out I noticed that in the place for workgroup name, that they were different on each machine. On XP the workgroup name is WORKGROUP. On the98 the workgroup name was MSHome. I changed the 98 to WORKGROUP and then re-started it. When I opened Network Place in 98 after the re-start it still showed as MSHome. I went back into control panel/networking and the workgroup there stayed at WORKGROUP. I hope you understand this. I did it and it sounds confusing to me!


NOW on to the lists you wanted me to compare. On XP the lists are almost the same.
(The ones the same are in Red the extra ones I have in black. )

Client for Microsoft Network
Zero Knowledge Freedom
File and printing sharing for Micro. net
QoS Packet Scheduler
NWLink NetBios
NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBios Compatible Transport Proto....
Network Monitor Driver
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)

Both Obtain IP auto & Obtain DNS Server are checked

NOW in the 98;
There are several more in mine than you have on your list.

The big difference seems to be instead of the 3 *netgear adapters* I have 3 "Dial up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)" They are in the same spots as your netgear's.

Here's the full list...it's rather long!

Client for Micro. Network
M.S. Family Logon
Dial-up Adapter
Dial-up Adaptor #2 (VPN Support)
HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Internet Connection Sharing
mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
M.S. Virtual Private Networking
Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
NDISWAN-> M.S. Virtual Private Networking Adapter
NetBeui->Dial-Up Adapter #2(VPN Support)
NetBeui-> HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
NetBeui->Internet Connection Sharing
NetBeui-> mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
NetBeui->Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
TCP/IP->Dial-up Adapter
TCP/IP->Dial-Up Adapter #2(VPN Support)
TCP/IP->HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter
TCP/IP->Internet Connection Sharing
TCP/IP-> mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
TCP/IP->Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
File + Printer Sharing for M.S. Network


Geez Mike I finally got it all in there!! I sure hope you can make something of it.

I'll leave this alphabet soup in our hands. It's almost scary because I am starting to understand what some of it means!

Thanks again
Shedy

 

Shedy - you got lots of junk left over from something on that 98 PC. Be really hard to pin down exactly where the problem is. My suggestion is that you try to simplify the networking settings on it by starting over.

First step is to load DUN 1.4 just to make sure you have a good copy of the latest & greatest for Win98. You won't be using the dial-up part but it includes updated files for all the networking services. Get it, install it.

DUN 1.4.

Make sure you have the latest drivers for the network card that is really installed. Then

Boot to safe mode and remove the network card(s) from device manager.

Shutdown and remove the physical network card. Remove any modems - internal or external.

Boot up and shut down again.

Replace the network card and boot up. When the system finds new hardware, select the "have disk" and point it to the drivers for the network card.

Set the network up again. Make sure the PC name is different than the XP system and the workgroup name is the same.

You will need to have "clients for microsoft networking" loaded and the MS family logon is a good idea as well. File & printer sharing if you intend to do that.

See how it works after the reload and post back.

 

Hi Shedy,

Not having the computers on the same workgroup would be a problem. I agree with Newt suggestion of starting over with setting up the network.

Where is it showing MSHome? When I check my 98 system, I get listings for Entire Network, Basement, and Main. This is when I double click on my Network Neighborhood icon. Nowhere on that screen do I see my workgroup name.

Let us know how you come out after rebuilding your network.

Mike

 

OK Newt....I think I can do this, but can you please explain ...

I'm not sure how to get to safe mode. Am I right in thinking that in safe mode I will still be able to get to device manager the same way I do under normal running conditions?

Are these the phone plugs that plug into the back of the tower? I'm not sure about "internal" modems. There are 4 listed in my Device Manager. (I'm sending Minnasota Mike a screen shot of my Device manager with Modums and Network Cards opened with the hope by him seeing it, he'll be able to discribe it better than I can.)

Is that the disk that came with my router, or is that the new downed DUN1.4 ?

Am I in over my head here??? I really want to try but I'm afraid that I'm taking up so much of your time by asking questions that must seem awfully stupid to you.

One more thing....I have no idea where all this "junk" comes from. We bought this computer brand new 2 and a half years ago. Did we get taken?? Could the compter have been used before and just refurbished when we bought it?

Thanks one more time, but it just doesn't seem enough for all the help your giving me!!!

Shedy

 

Just me again!

I tried to get a screen shot to send Mike and somewhere it dissappeared on me. I was sending it from the 98 to the XP via e-mail and now I can't find it. I'll try again and send it from the 98. Mike if you get a message with "Shedy" in the subject, but a different sender, it's only me!


When doing a restart something happened so that windows started in Safe Mode so I removed the HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter and the other 2 with the same name except they started with NetBeui + TCP/IP .
Do I need to do it again and remove *all* of this list?

Client for Micro. Network
M.S. Family Logon
Dial-up Adapter
Dial-up Adaptor #2 (VPN Support)
HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapte(GONE)
Internet Connection Sharing
mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
M.S. Virtual Private Networking
Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
NDISWAN-> M.S. Virtual Private Networking Adapter
NetBeui->Dial-Up Adapter #2(VPN Support)
NetBeui-> HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter(GONE)
NetBeui->Internet Connection Sharing
NetBeui-> mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
NetBeui->Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
TCP/IP->Dial-up Adapter
TCP/IP->Dial-Up Adapter #2(VPN Support)
TCP/IP->HP EN 1207D-TX PCI 10/100 Fast Ethernet Adapter(GONE)
TCP/IP->Internet Connection Sharing
TCP/IP-> mDirect P.P.P.o.E. Adapter
TCP/IP->Realtek RTL 8139/810X Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
File + Printer Sharing for M.S. Network

I haven't D/L'ed the DUN 1.4 yet, but I'm going to do it now.

Just thought I'd better let you know what I'd done!
Thanks
Shedy

 

Shedy,

I'll be looking for the screen shot. I think what Newt wants you to do is remove everything in your list. However, you should keep DUN installed. I say that now that you've removed it.

Pressing F8 will usually get you to the startup screen which will allow you to start in SAFE mode. Once there, you will be able to access everything as you normally do.

Newt also wants you to remove the network and modem card completely. Not just the phone plugs, but the card itself. Open up the case and take them out.

When you reinstall the hardware and the system asks for the drivers, use the disks that came with your hardware. After all that, and it's not as bad as it seems, you can rebuild your network.

Hope that helps a little.

Mike

 

Thanks Mike!!

Forgot the screen shot!! Headed back to the 98 to do it now!!! ( BTW...Screen shot does work in 98 same way as in XP)

Yes your explaining it again does help!! It not Newt, he's great...it's ME!! I guess your stuck with being my interperter!

I D/L DUN1.4
I check for upgrades to the Realtek network card (If I find an up date should I d/l but not install...yet?)

OK....I'll remove the entire list except for DUN.
Shut down
I open the tower and remove all network and modum cards. (Will they be marked as to what they are? Don't want to pull the wrong thing out)

Boot up and shut down (Now that I can do!)

Re-open tower and put network card back in. (If theres more than 1 card, which goes back in...Realtek? and what about any modum cards I remove?)

Re-Boot...When the system finds new hardware i mark "have Disk" and the put my networking CD into the drive and tell the system to go my CD/rom drive(M)

Re-do the network hook up the same as when I first installed it, making sure that workgroup name is the same on both computers but that they each have their own name.


I'm getting too tired tonight to even attempt any more of this! Tomorrow is our Canadian holiday so I doubt if I'll get back to it till Wed.evening. or later! I think I get the majority of it now and maybe I'm only making it tougher than it really will be once I start doing it. After I did manage to install the network originally and it did work!!! For a while any way

 

Shedy,

First of all, enjoy your Canadian holiday! If you find an updated driver for Win98, I would download that and have it ready for the installl. Not sure if the cards will be marked. Just pull the cards with the phone jacks on the back. As far as which ones you need to replace, that depends on what you need. You will want the Realtek network card in and the modem. If you have more then one modem card, just pop in the one you want. All you need is one network card and one modem card. The rest of the process you seem to understand.

Get back to us when you get things reinstalled and set up. We'll try to get you through any problems, but hopefully there won't be any.

Mike

 

One suggestion - since you won't be using any sort of dial-up for networking, I'd put in the network card but not the modem and re-install networking. That way the system won't get confused and try to put some dial-up pieces on your system.

After the networking is alive and well, you can put the modem in and it should just do modem things. If the system tries to load any networking pieces you can just say "no thanks ".

And thanks to MM for the good translations.

 

Newt,

You're welcome and have a good 4th.

Mike