Cannot Copy Audio CD's

Hi All,

I have been trying to make a copy of a music cd directly from the source cd....And then I got this error:

This drive does not support audio extraction

I have Nero OEM software that came with my Lite-On burner.

The older cd drive is a 4x mitsumi FX 400E !B. This drive does not seem to support digital playback according to the properties box.....Could this be the problem?
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Here is a full copy of the error report....

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 10/26/2004 6:35:34 PM
Nero Version: 6.6.0.8 (Nero Express)
Recorder: <LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S>Version: 4S05 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.8
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <MITSUMI CD-ROM FX400E !B>Version: K03 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.6.0.8
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 6Y060L0 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : MITSUMI CD-ROM FX400E !B atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S G: CDRom0
MITSUMI CD-ROM FX400E !B H: CDRom1
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 36700160 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 223MB (228848kB)
Free physical memory: 87MB (89732kB)
Memory in use : 60 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

1.5.2005
CD Copy
4:35:54 PM #1 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 2868
LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S
Buffer underrun protection activated

4:35:54 PM #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
Reader running

4:35:54 PM #3 Phase 48 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
Analyzing disc

4:35:55 PM #4 CDCOPY -15 File CDCopy.cpp, Line 1698
This drive does not support audio extraction

4:35:55 PM #5 Text 0 File CDCopy.cpp, Line 840
Copy options: copy on-the-fly: ON
read ISRC/MCN: OFF
use jitter correction: OFF
data options
ignore read error: ON write defekt blocks OFF
read raw data: OFF read r-w subchannel data: OFF
audio options
ignore read error: ON
read indexes: OFF read r-w subchannel data: OFF
source disc does not look like CD Extra
01. 50 - 12557 = 12507, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
02. 12557 - 23807 = 11250, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
03. 23807 - 34210 = 10403, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
04. 34210 - 50015 = 15805, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
05. 50015 - 65177 = 15162, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
06. 65177 - 77390 = 12213, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
07. 77390 - 92782 = 15392, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
08. 92782 - 108630 = 15848, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
09. 108630 - 117695 = 9065, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
10. 117695 - 131392 = 13697, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
11. 131392 - 140182 = 8790, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
12. 140182 - 153865 = 13683, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
13. 153865 - 165782 = 11917, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
14. 165782 - 176805 = 11023, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
15. 176805 - 190040 = 13235, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
16. 190040 - 200410 = 10370, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
17. 200410 - 214292 = 13882, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
18. 214292 - 229400 = 15108, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
19. 229400 - 248675 = 19275, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
20. 248675 - 266935 = 18260, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
21. 266935 - 285227 = 18292, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
22. 285227 - 310772 = 25545, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
23. 310772 - 332785 = 22013, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 11:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
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I have also sent this to Nero support.

 

It would appear the Mitsumi drive doesn't support DAE which is necessary if you want to use it as the source drive when copying audio cds. There's not much you can do about it. You'll have to use the Lite-On to extract the audio on the cd and copy it to your hard drive and then copy it from there. The only other way would be to purchase a new cd drive to use as the source drive. Most if not all newer drives should support DAE. Older drives can be hit and miss, depending on how old they are.

 

Thanks Zander,

I had this same problem on W98se......I was hoping that XP would solve my problem, but it seems that the old drive is the problem.

Is it possible to make exact digital (Music) copies using a computer burner (Assuming that both drives support DMA)?

I noticed that there is no fiber optic connection, nor a coaxial connection either on the Lite-On (At least I don't remember seeing one).

I have a Hi-Fi burner, but I need a fiber optic connection in order to make perfect copies on it.

 

You should be able to make a copy of it by using your Lite-On cdrw and Nero. Just choose to create an image file of the cd you want to copy in Nero, write it to the hard disk and then use Nero to write the image file to a cd. If you do this you should get an exact copy of the music cd (or at least as exact as is possible). I don't have Nero so I can't tell you the specifics but I'm sure if you search the help file for the word image you'll come up with the answer for how to do it. If not, post back. There's a lot of Nero users here and more than likely somebody will be able to help you.

 

Is that the same thing as ripping to the HD?

I ripped a few songs and played them back, but I thought the music sounded a little hollow compared to the cd itself.

 

No matter how you do it, in reality you're "ripping" the songs from the cd. This would include a direct cd to cd copy. Ripping is just another term for digital audio extraction (DAE) and a cdrom drive is either capable of it or it's not. The songs should sound the same regardless of which way you use to copy them. It's digital data no matter how you do it.

When you rip a song from a cd you're copying the digital data that's on the cd. The difference between ripping them to your hard drive and making an image file of the cd is when you make an image file you get just one file that's a copy of the cd. When you rip them to your hard drive the way you're talking about you get multiple files. One for each of the songs. Also, if you use an image file, besides getting just the songs, you'll also get any extras that are on the disc such as cd text or any video stuff that may be on the disc because it's a copy of the disc just as if you'd copied it directly from one cd drive to another. A fair number of newer music cds have this type of thing on them. The disc you burn from the image file should be pretty much an exact copy of the original.

 

Follow up,

After experimenting with my setup, I found out that I could make an image to the HD with Nero Express using the copy function.......No need for a second cd drive.

After loading the source (Music) cd, I selected "Copy" form the Nero menu. Nero then made an image of the disc, and then it ejected the tray and instructed me to load a blank cd-r, or cd-rw.

After I loaded the blank cd, the software burned the image to disc in about 8 minutes.

I then played the just made copy in my Denon home theater setup, and compared the copy to the original, back & forth a few times.

It was hard to tell much difference, if there was any at all.

The imaged file was broken down into separate tracks, just like the original......That was an added bonus.

 

Thanks for the follow up James!

The only downside to doing it this way is the additional hard drive space required. Not much of a problem with the size of today's drives.

When you used the copy function did it automatically delete the image file? My guess is yes. If, for some reason,you ever want to save a disc image you can use Nero to create an ISO image file of the disc and then save the file for later use. To burn the ISO image to a disc you'd have to select the option to burn an ISO image in Nero and then browse to the file. The results would be the same as you have now. Should be an exact copy of the disc.

 

Hi Zander,

I tried to save the image, but the option didn't work for some reason.

I then tried to find out where the image might be stored, but no luck there either.

I'm thinking that the image was deleted, because the % of used HD space had not changed any.

My system was beginning to slow down some in recent days, so I used RegSeeker to delete selected (Green) entries.....The ones that say, "Path does not exist ".

It's possible that might have deleted a good Nero entry or something, and maybe that's why the save image option didn't work?

I just installed this updated version of Nero (OEM) a couple of weeks ago, but I just found out that a newer version became available last Thursday (That was fast!).

So now I am going to download a 33mb file with 56k modem ......Good thing I have a download manager!

After I install the newer version of Nero, I will burn another image to disc and see if I can save the image to file.

 

My guess is that it gets deleted. Next time you do it try the ISO route. My guess is that you used a copy disc type thing (similar to Roxio which is what I have). In Roxio, if you choose "Disc Copier" it gives you the chance to select how many copies you want but when it's done the file it creates is deleted. Have to use the ISO image feature to be able to keep the file. Search Nero's help file for ISO image and I'm sure it'll explain how to do it. It's a two step process when you do it this way though. You have to first make the ISO image and then you have to burn the ISO image. I've tried Nero's demo in the past and I know you can do it but don't remember exactly where the buttons or menu items are. It's no big deal I guess as either way you do it you accomplish the same thing. Biggest difference with the ISO image is you can save the file for burning later if you want.

 

Seems that I don't access to the imaging software, unless I buy the full version of Nero....(There is a "burn image" function though with the OEM version)

For the moment, all I can do is use the "copy" function in Nero Expresss.