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Best way to backup prior to full reinstall

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by jorjab, 2007/02/19.

  1. 2007/02/19
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I will shortly have to reinstall my XP Media Center 2005 OS. It will be a clean install onto a new drive.

    My question is as follow

    What should I use to backup my system and what files beyond the ones I mention below should I backup?

    I have Windows Backup, Norton Ghost as well as Retrospect Express (from Maxtor). Have 3 Maxtor external hard drives - 40 mb (FAT Format has to currently stay that way), 2 (NTFS) with 300 GB on them.

    In general, I prefer to just do a straight Drive to drive copy, but sometimes Windows won't let me copy certain files because they are in use by the system. I cant seem to make that problem disappear.

    I know I need to back up MyDocuments, email files, Quicken, Turbo Tax files, Office and Firefox settings, but how do I find the system settings that I would like to keep as opposed to having to figure them out again. How do I copy them if Windows says they are in use and I can't figure out who is using them. I do close all the programs I can, not sure which system ones I can close without causing problems.

    I use Belarc system advisor
    http://www.belarc.com/advisor_update.html

    to tell me what I had installed and what the keys are for the programs I need (Have the original install keys with the install discs as well)

    Any suggestions for what do do before I get new drives installed.

    Thanks

    Jorjab
     
  2. 2007/02/19
    Steve R Jones

    Steve R Jones SuperGeek Staff

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    If you're getting a new drive...Install Windows....

    Place original drive back into system as a slave and copy n paste needed files to new drive..
     

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    Hi jorjab,

    I notice you have Norton Gost:

    http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/features.jsp?pcid=br&pvid=ghost10

    Key Features
    Backs up everything on your computer - digital music, photos, financial documents, applications, settings, operating system, etc. - in one easy step


    And you have external drives.

    The ideal would be to do the above - cloning the current OS drive and then restoring it to the new drive.

    I don't use Ghost - I'll give a person that does a holler to look at this thread.

    Regards - Charles
     
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Steve,
    can't use the drive as a slave as Dell will be taking it back as it is defective and going bad.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Well, I don't know if I will be able to assist. My experience is limited to Ghost 2003 running from Ghost Boot Disks. I don't even use the Windows interface other than to view images and extract files in Ghost Explorer. Which version of Ghost are you using? If Ghost 9 or Ghost 10, Ghost 2003 should be bundled for use with Win9X systems but it works very well with WinXP.

    Do you have to or do you want to? If you don't have to, it is much easier to clone the current hard disk to the new hard disk. That is an easy task using Ghost 2003. If the hard disk is partitioned in more than a single partition, the sizes can be altered and the full space of the new hard disk will be used.

    Most system and program settings are embedded in the registry and finding all relevant keys and creating a lot of *.reg files which would export the values would take longer than taking it from square one. It is almost certain that a mistake will be made and a single mistake may be enough ... :( ... to bring you back to square one.

    Programs that are "stand alone ", such as Firefox have the settings in the "programs - firefox" folder. Find it and copy the whole folder to a different disk or partition or just copy it to the new installation. If you want to, you can copy the "start menu - firefox" folder with the shortcuts too.

    As I understand it, you don't have the user data separated from the system. That would make a task like this much easier. See Moving Windows XP default folders Rev1 for directions and it will also lead you to the default location of the Firefox folder.

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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    I just noticed that the current hard disk is going bad. If you have any problems at all, do not clone it to the new hard disk but do a clean installation. There is a freeware program, Replicator, which will backup your user files to a different partition or hard disk. I use it with a setup as described in "Moving Windows XP default folders Rev1 ".

    Christer
     
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I have Ghost 9.0 -

    Have to do full reinstall - my XP Media center is not working for the TV portion (Installed a Windows update for it and that did it in). Have tried everything else and this is last resort for that. Cloning will not work although Ghost 9.0 says it can do - do not want to put the problem back.

    When I install on new drive will set up the data partition as suggested. With my old Gateway PCs, Gateway would always partition the drive for me as I requested with 2 or even 3 drives.

    Dell refused to do that for me when I ordered PC even though I had asked them to.
     
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Christer,
    was answering your previous post as you were posting your last one.

    Will look into replicator as well as your PDF doc on moving files.

    Thanks

    PS No Ghost bundled with my PC, purchased Jan 2005
     
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    jorjab,
    you're welcome ... :) ... !

    It should be bundled with a retail copy of Ghost 9. I'm not sure if it is a separate CD or if it is hidden on the Ghost 9 CD. If Ghost 9 was bundled with the computer, the CD is probably not included.

    Christer
     
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Christer - one question

    How do I determine the sizes of the two partitions?
    Hard drive is 166 GB altho it looks like for some reason that I can only use 144GB
    I think the rest is used by Dell.

    Will check my Ghost CD - did not come with the PC, retail version.
     
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    Norton Ghost backup and restores strategies

    Best to create a dos bootup ghost disk rather than backing up from within windows.
    You have several choices:
    1) ghost onto dvds -
    takes a while and if one dvd is scratched you are in trouble.
    Sometimes all it takes is a little speck of dust that needs to be cleaned carefully and the restore stops in mid stream
    2) You can ghost to a hard drive
    faster and safer
    Just place where you dvd drive is now
    3) You can never be too careful in backup strategies and be redundant
    4) You can set up your computer with a number of partitions with windows on one , data on one or several and a ghost image of your new windows install for each restore of the os.

    You would boot with a ghost disk and just restore from partition to partition.

    You can never be too carefull
     
  13. 2007/02/20
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Are you talking about the new hard disk or the bad one?

    If the new hard disk, does it come from Dell and is it identical to the bad one?

    It is a possibility (I don't know for sure) that Dell put a "restore partition" on the hard disk. I suggest that you leave it alone because without it, the computer can not be restored to factory fresh condition. Read the manual to find out. In disk management, you can see what partitions are there, unless the restore partition is hidden (but it shouldn't be hidden in disk management).

    If you plan on using Ghost for backup, I suggest to use it on the system partition only and to use Replicator for backing up the data. The Ghost images and the data backups should be on a separate hard disk and on separate partitions. If you learn how to use Ghost and have a good strategy, then it substitutes the "Dell recovery partition" which can be deleted. If this will be the scenario, also delete the other partition and start the clean installation by partitioning all free space into two partitions.

    The size of the system partition depends on what you plan on installing and the space requirements of the programs. My system has a very light foot print. My system partition is 12GB with 60% free at the moment. I have no "space hogs" installed, such as photo and video editing software or games.

    A friend started with a 30GB system partition but I had to increase it for him to 50GB. When I install computers for people who say "I don't know what will get installed ", I make the system partition 30GB but in some cases, that is not enough.

    The data partition will get the rest.

    Christer
     
  14. 2007/02/21
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Just a few comments about what is happening.

    Will post final info when I get back up and running

    Am having new hard drive put in tomorrow by Dell rep. My backups so far have just been copy my docs and other private info to my external hard drives. Also, some info has been put on DVDs.

    Backing up OS in any form not a good idea here. Forgot to say I have a RAID system which also complicates matters. Would not want a clone in any case because too many problems.

    DELL Techs so far have told me that they will not help me partition the drive when I install. I wont be able to do myself because I need their help for setting up the RAID part. Was told to ask tech who I speak to, when ready to install, to see if they will guide me through it as part of the reinstall process.

    Figured if I just back up what I know I need, then will be easier to reinstall and not have to use a restore type program for Ghost or any other backuop program.

    I have managed to either save or document the important (to me ) settings and keys for the various programs I use.

    Thank You all for your comments and suggestions.
     
  15. 2007/02/27
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    Well I am backup and running with a few minor glitches.

    It turns out that, with the raid configuration I have, it is not really a good idea to partition.
    I also (found out when reinstalling ) could have gone away from the Raid Configuration and just had 2 separate 160 GB hard drives. Probably would have been the way to go but was in the middle of getting back up and did not want to do that at this point. RAID makes for a faster system which is one reason to keep.

    I just used the save and restore files on my own with my external hard drives and DVDs. Probably more complicated in some ways, but at least I would not have introduced any of the old problems by using some of the Backup routines mentioned in this post.

    Lost my passwords for Firefox but had printed them out. Also lost a couple of other programs (one was a firefox profile backup routine which I have the restore file for ), because I can't remember the names and therefore can't find on the web.

    Reinstalls of some programs have caused other glitches which I do not remember occurring when first setting up the pc.

    Overall I am pretty much back to normal.


    Thanks for all suggestions.

    Jorjab
     
  16. 2007/02/27
    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Good news, jorjab ... :) ... thanks for the feedback!

    Christer
     
  17. 2007/02/27
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    jorjab Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Sorry, I forgot one very important point: Licenses

    Dell had never sent the Microsoft License page. Luckily I had copied it from my system or I would have had no record of the license.

    Secondly, some of the additional software I had purchased and Dell installed caused some licensing problems. I had written down the licenses as they existed on my PC and they were incorrect. The originally supplied Software CDs had different license serial numbers on them then what had been installed by Dell.
    So, when backing up make sure you have all correct license and serial number information from everywhere.

    I also use a routine called Belarc Advisor which lists most of your licenses as they exist on the PC for you. as well as other useful information about your system and what is on it.

    http://belarc.com/free_download.html


    DELL tech was not exactly able to tell me which drivers I needed to reinstall for certain devices and I am not sure that I have all the right ones. Some are different from the originally installed ones. Although everything still seems to be working properly.

    The most important thing is not only just backing up everything regularly but remembering to keep track of all the information you may need in order to reinstall. Some of that information is not always as obvious as you think.

    Overall I am back to normal but not something I want to do very often.
     

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