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Discussion in 'Other PC Software' started by dispatch trophy, 2012/02/13.

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    For a second operating system, what would be the best linux to install?

    ubuntu?

    should it be saved to D:\

    and installed from there

    or is there a difference.

    Are there any boot up complications?
     
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    Depends what you want to do with it. The specs of the machine thast you're installing it on is also a factor to bear in mind. Mint needs a reasonable spec while Ubuntu will run on quite an old machine. I've got Ubuntu installed on a computer I threw together from bits that I had lying around - Athlon 1.8 GHz processor base. It didn't like Mint at all - didn't install properly and I haven't had the time to look into it further.

    My opinion - for what its worth....

    As a windows replacement: Ubuntu or Mint. Mepis looks nice but I haven't had a chance to try it out properly.

    For diagnostics: Fedora or Knoppix - although Knoppix is also a contender for a desktop.

    For forensics: Backtrack.

    Why not try them out in a VM? I've got two Linux VMs (G-Parted and Knoppix) on this PC here in addition to the XP VM that comes as standard. A bit of a pain that I can't run them in full screen, but, as far as I can gather, thats a limitation of the Windows VM. If you use VMware, they can run in full screen.

    Yes, you should install it into its own partition if you're going to install it to your hard drive.

    I'm not aware of any boot up complications. You just get a standard Multi Boot menu when you power up your computer.

    You could also try them out using live CDs - OK, it'd be a bit slow, but you'd at least get a bit of a feel for it and whether you like it enough to try it out further.

    HTH
     
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    I want a full-service OS for general use: email, word-processing, etc.

    I've tried twice to download and install from Wubi.exe

    but Windows keeps saying "no disk" or something else.

    I also have an ISO image burned onto CD with the same result.
     
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    Head over to Distro Watch for a listing of popular distros. You can choose any of the top 5. The best part is, if you don't like it, you can download a new one & start all over again.
     
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    As far as I know, GParted is a live distro for disk partitioning. I can't imagine why you are running it in a VM for ?
     
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    Knoppix, Ubuntu or Mint - any of these is what I'd go for. To be fair I haven't used any others to any great degree so its probably unfair to criticise the others.

    You could try getting alternatives via the Live CD List. This will take you to the relevant distro's home page where you can download it directly.

    You could try using a virtual drive to run the iso file. Try MagicISO.

    Many distros, but not all, have a built in media checker for verifying the integrity of the downloaded image before installation.

    You could also have a read of this article. It'll help you make a more informed decision - but the great thing about linux is -as rsinfo says - if you don't like it you can bin it and try another one.

    That's quite correct. You can also use it, however, for HD diagnostics. It will run in a VM but I wouldn't use it again. It is a powerful tool but I found it difficult to use - It probably needs more looking at (from my side) to be fair. I didn't like it from the live Cd either. I found Partition Wizard much easier to use - but thats another story...
     
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    I believe you are referring to MiniTool Partition Wizard Bootable CD. Haven't tried it as GParted does everything for me.
     
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    Yes. That is correct.
     
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    If this is your first attempt at using any Linux distribution, download an Ubuntu Desktop ISO and use it to create a bootable CD, then shutdown the comp & boot using the CD.

    There will be an option to "try Ubuntu without installing it" or similar wording. The operating system will run in RAM and a temp directory on the hard drive.

    This way, you will get a feel for it and be able to decide to install it or not.

    Any Linux distro installed on the hard drive will install GRUB (Grand Unified Boot Loader) on the drive and in the master boot record. Thus, if ever remove the Linux partition(s), you'll not be able to boot Windows unless you use the Windows CD/DVD to rewrite the master boot record.

    I've been using Debian Linux for 10+ years for my servers, laptop & media computer connected to my tv. I learned the "hard way" many times. I now build my Linux systems from the ground up, installing only the kernel & software that I want, i.e. my own personal Linux distribution (that I do not distribute).

    Follow my advice and don't install any Linux distro to the hard drive until you've become familiar with it using various live CDs.

    Besides Ubuntu, try out the various Debian Live CD/DVDs: (Ubuntu is built using Debian anyway)
    http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/

    You'll want to download:
    debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso
    debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde-desktop.iso
    debian-live-6.0.3-i386-xfce-desktop.iso
    debian-live-6.0.3-i386-lxde-desktop.iso

    Linux is a kernel and can use different Desktop Environments. There are 4 major Desktop Environments and windowing systems used for Linux:
    Gnome
    KDE
    XFCE
    LXDE
    See this page in the Desktop Section.
     
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    I think this is above my pay grade, since I don't know what "kernel" means at this point.

    I have downloaded two files:
    1. the wubi.exe and
    2. I copied a file from one of the cd's I burned onto the same drive (D).

    I was therefore able to "download" ubuntu (10 GB!) but problems occurred both times I tried to install. So I assume it is not installed at this point and I will not have to use the Windows cd to repair/install.

    I have already burned an ISO file. But I don't know if it is "Desktop" Perhaps this means I will have to scrap the 3 cd's I already have and burn a new one.

    Is a CD-R 700MB ok?
     
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    rsinfo

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    Kernel is the heart of any OS. Its the code that binds everything together. Just forget about the kernel for the time being.

    You don't need the wubi.exe file. Its required only & only if you want to run Ubuntu as an application under Windows.

    How did you burn the files ? All the files are image files & need to burned as images.

    It can't be 10 GB as its not going to fit on a DVD. Something is wrong somewhere.
     
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    I just deleted it.

    I have the cd's I burned a while ago, but I am starting over now with this boot-from-cd method.

    I saw that while I was downloading the previous attempt. Everything was wrong with that attempt. I deleted those files. My cd's only hold 700 mbs.

    I am deciding between Ubuntu (reported to have stability issues but still the best for beginners) and Mageia (also recommended in the article dnmacleod referenced).

    I will download either directly from the Mageia site or the "Live CD list" mentioned above.
     
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    Download the most recent Ubuntu ISO here:
    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

    It's 695 MB.

    If your using Windows 7, pop in a cdr disk, rt click the iso and select "burn disk image ".

    If using Windows XP you will need to use software such as Nero to burn the image to disk.

    Realize that you are NOT just burning the ISO to the cdr as a data cd, you MUST use "burn disk image" or similar wording as defined in the burning software.

    Which burning software do you have?

    KERNEL:
    The central module or core of an operating system. Linux is a kernel & by itself does nothing. Additional software is required in order to do anything. A minimal Linux operating system is similar to DOS, only a command screen. Additional software can be added to create a graphical operating system. In Linux, a graphical experience is accomplished with the software called Xorg. This is the most basic graphical system. Additionally, a window manager can be used so as to have a variety of themes and a richer experience. Or, what's known as a Desktop Environment is used, which includes a Window Manager and other graphical software and utilities.

    Ubuntu and other operating systems are known as Linux Distributions. They include most all the software you need for a graphical operating system. Most of these distributions come with several window managers or even several complete desktop environments, so the user can choose which he/she likes best.
     
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    I am using XP.
    I have these two programs:
    1. ISO Recorder."
    2. Sony Sonic Stage CD-R Writing Module

    I assume I should download Nero.
     
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    Neither of those will do the job.
    Download this free CD burning application:
    Tiny Burner

    Open the program, Tools Menu > Burn image.

    Use the defaults. If it has an option for "speed" then burn at a slow speed of about 16MB/sec.
     
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    It strikes me as odd that this thread is on this Windows BBS. If I want a Linux answer I go to a Linux forum so wouldn't expect to find a Linux question in a Windows Forum.
     
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    It may be named WindowsBBS, but we discuss everything.
     
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    Some of us here are knowledgeable in many operating systems, multi-boot operating systems, etc. Also, many large businesses use Linux servers along with Windows servers and operating systems. They play well together as do we.
     
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    Thanks rsinfo and TonyT for the explaination.
     
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    You're welcome.
     

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