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98 on second hdd

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by fridgitator, 2006/02/03.

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    fridgitator

    fridgitator Inactive Thread Starter

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    I'm currently running XP. I want to install 98se on a partition on a second hard drive without trashing my XP setup. What is the best way to go about this?
     
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    Would first read infor here
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mosaddique/
    There are many ways to do it, depending on answers of below questions.

    On the 2nd hdd, is it currently in use with XP? How is it partitioned ? Can you delete all partitions? post any other info on hdd.
    is the XP hdd NTFS or fat32?

    Do you have a floppy drive ?
     

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    Zander

    Zander Geek Member Alumni

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    If you want to install win98 after XP is already installed you'll have to have a boot manager of some type installed (something like Boot Magic). When you install 98 it'll overwrite the boot sector on the hard drive and you'll lose your ability to boot to XP if no boot manager is installed. I believe you could probably set thing straight by doing a repair install of XP after installing 98 but I wouldn't quote me on that. :D I'd wait to see what others have to say about it.

    Also, if your XP is installed on the C drive and if it's formatted to fat16 or fat32 there is a way to do this and keep XP's boot loader. It's not real pretty though. :) You can have a look at this.

    How do I install Windows® 98/Me after I've installed XP?

    Theres quite a free boot managers out there although I've never used any of them myself. My experiences with boot managers is limited to Boot Magic. A search at Google for free boot manager will give you some idea of what's available. Whatever you do, do your homework on this one first so you know what to expect. ;)
     
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    fridgitator Inactive Thread Starter

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    My second hdd has a linux install that I am willing to lose, and a partition used for Autosave backup. XP is NTFS. I have a floppy, and also a usb harddrive enclosure.
     
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    go into disk management and on the 2 hdd need more info.
    1)post what partition types it shows for each .ie: primary or extended volume
    2)size of partiton for 98
    3)which partition is showen as the first partition.
    4)is the Autosave backup NTFS , FAT32 or some other.

    Your best bet is to use a third party boot manager. google for boot+manager and you will find both free and pay.

    To complete install of Win98 you will have to find the software drivers for the mother board and any other add on cards,' modem,video' .
     
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    Disc 0 (C)
    74.53 GB NTFS

    Disc 1 new volume (D)
    7.18 GB NTFS
    1 GB unknown Logical
    10.18 unknown logical
    18.91 free space

    the 7.18 gb is my backup space. The unknowns are expendable Linux. I have Partition Magic 8.0, including Boot Magic.
     
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    Due to you haveing 18.0g of free space you can keep Linux.
    Use PMagic and make at least a 5g 'depending on useage' Primary Paritition for 98 and format. Be sure you do not make the partition a logical volume, PM will want to. NOTE: you will not be able to make any other logical or Extened volumes, if you keep Linux . (Pri, Ext,Pri,Ext partitioning is not permitted, and only 3 primary and 1 extended volume in the MBR is permitted normally)

    I do not know any thing about Boot Magic.

    The way I would do it (not nessary best) make the 98 partition active, put 98 cd into drive and restarte comp. When comp restarts enter bios and uninstall the 1st hdd, till 98 is installed. with BM there may be no need ?.

    Just a note when booting to 98, it will not see the NTFS or Linux parititons and will be drive C:.

    If this is the only comp you have to get on line be sure you understand first or you will be alone.
     
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    I'm planning to use the linux partitons as part of the new 98 install, as Suse doesn't like my hardware and I don't have anything in it anyway. BM is a boot manager that came with partition magic. My main concern is that I have never installed 98 on anything less than an entire disc when it was the only one in the machine, and I didn't know if it would trash my XP. If I understand correctly, I can use P.M. to format as much as I want of disc 1 to a primary partition, go into BIOS with the 98 disc in the drive, and remove the xp drive from the boot sequence. When I restart, I should be able to install 98 on disc 1 on the new primary partition. Can I install the boot manager on the xp drive first, and go into BIOS after 98 is in and put the xp drive back in the boot order?
     
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    Zander Geek Member Alumni

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    I haven't used Boot Magic since I got XP but I imagine it's not a whole lot different now. I think what you should do is read the docs that came with Boot Magic. There used to be a folder in Boot Magic's program files folder named Docs. It has the manual for it in pdf form. That should tell you what you need to do to get 98 installed.

    You should have it installed before you install 98 or else you'll probably end up with a mess on your hands. Also, unless things have changed, there should be no need to go into the bios to do this if you use Boot Magic to do it. Again, read the manual.

    Important!!!!! Make sure you make the Boot Magic rescue disk before you do this. Don't bypass this step. If something goes wrong during the process of doing this and you can't boot the computer you can boot from the rescue disk and it'll set the partition that Boot Magic is installed on active. This would be your XP drive and it'll enable you to boot to XP.

    As far as I'm concerned I can't stress the importance of having that rescue disk enough. Boot Magic always worked great for me but there was a few times where I did some changing of partitions and in the process forgot about this or that and when I rebooted I had nothing. Booted from the rescue disk, it recognized there was a problem and asked "do you want to set the home partition active? ". Chose yes and I was up and running again.
     
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    I'll read up on it right now. Thank you both for all your help.
     
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    as Zander's states be sure to make a Boot Magic rescure disk, you will needed it .
    Bassic steps only. (Limited reading on my part for BM)
    1)Use PM to make the primary partition "FAT32" on the 2nd hdd and format it, need no be the first partition. The 7.18 GB NTFS partition will be first.
    2)install BM on the primary boot hdd (bios primary master) and make the 98 partition active on 2nd hdd.
    3) reboot with 98 cd in drive and install.
    4)once 98 is complete reboot with BM rescure disk - 98 will likely have over written BM.

    Some users with your setup will hide the 98 partition when useing XP.
    Do not need to hide the NTFS partition when in 98 as it will not see NTFS.

    (If I understand correctly, I can use P.M. to format as much as I want of disc 1 to a primary partition) mostly correct- you can use PM to make a pri partition of any size and then format it. Can only format partitions.
     

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