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Resolved 1394 Connection not in Network Connections

Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by dnmacleod, 2010/10/09.

  1. 2010/10/09
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Guys,
    My problem is this.
    I have a desktop running Windows 7 64Bit with 4 Gig ram.
    I also have a laptop running windows XP home.
    I'm trying to transfer files from the laptop to the desktop (64 Gigs to be precise)
    I'm trying to use the firewire cable connection that worked fine when the desktop pc had Windows XP Pro on it.
    The problem is that the device manager on the desktop (Win 7) shows the 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller but it doesn't show the 1394 network adapter in the network adapters list.
    There is no unrecognised hardware in the device manager list.
    Any suggestions please?

    Connecting using the router is not an option as the internet connection is wireless due to 2 flights of stairs...... :eek: and 64 Gigs over wireless isn't much of an option either - with more to follow.....

    Thanks in advance
    Don.
     
  2. 2010/10/09
    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni

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    How about a crossover LAN cable ? Its inexpensive & would transfer data at whatever speed your systems support.
     

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  4. 2010/10/10
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I thought about that and I did try what I thought was a crossover cable - as I've used crossover cables before but either the cable I have is faulty or its not a crossover at all as neither pc recognises the other. They both recognise that a cable is plugged in but thats as far as it goes.
    If no-one can come up with a solution for me here, I may very well go looking for a new crossover cable tomorrow but it is frustrating that the firewire worked fine before I installed Win7.
    I was looking elsewhere - technet etc - and it seems that this problem - or variants of it - are quite common. Windows 7 and Firewire don't seem to be best of buddies at all.
     
  5. 2010/10/10
    TonyT

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    Does your wireless router have LAN ports? If so, you don't need a x-over cable, any cat5 cable will do. Just wire the laptop to the router.

    Faster yet would be to use a USB thumb drive (multiple trips back and forth), or cheap external USB drive. You can get an external 250 GB USB drive for about fifty bucks.

    64 GB over wifi will be about half as fast as wired ethernet. Just start the transfer prior to going to bed and wake up to a completed task. (disable standby & hybernation on both comps)
     
  6. 2010/10/10
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Tony,
    Unfortunately, as I said in an earlier post, the router is down 2 flights of stairs and that means that the signal strength isn't the best and while its ok for internet access and small file transfers, a 64 Gig transfer over what is now down - due to the signal strength - to 11Mb wifi was going to take 18 hours according to the file transfer progress window. Thats why I was looking for a wired option ie firewire.
    The crossover cable is the next best option since the 2 computers are beside each other.
    If all else fails, I do have an 80 Gig external hard drive so I will be able to transfer the files in the end, but I was hoping for a more efficient approach.
    To be honest, I'm simply staggered that firewire support in Win7 is so poor - its not new technology after all.
     
  7. 2010/10/10
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    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni

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    Try giving IPs to both the PCs manually. Make one IP 192.168.1.10 & other 192.168.1.100. See if it works.
     
  8. 2010/10/10
    TonyT

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    Can't you take the laptop downstairs and connect it to the router using a wire (cat5)? You'll get the same rate as using a x-over cable between the laptop and the desktop, and there's nothing then to configure.

    64 gigabytes = 524,288 megabits

    At 1 mb/sec transfer will take 524,288 seconds...

    At 10 mb/sec (slow wifi) transfer will take 52,428 seconds - 873 minutes - 14.5 hrs.

    At 50 mb/sec (decent wired rate) transfer will take 10,485 seconds - 174 minutes - 2.9 hours.

    If actually have wifi-g, which is capable of at least double the 11 mb/sec in real world use, the transfer would take about 7 hrs (overnight) if move the laptop downstairs next to the desktop and router.
     
  9. 2010/10/11
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Sorry Tony, I reckon I haven't have made the setup clear enough ....
    Both the desktop and the laptop are wifi to the router - thats why the wifi option is so slow.
    As you know, when both the connections are wifi, they will come down to the lowest common (stable) denominator (and then compound that with low signal strength due to the distance from the pcs to the router - 2 floors and a wall). I found that it started to transfer reasonably ok and then it just got slower and slower till it just about stopped and became basically unusable.
    I reckon the quickest workaround for now will be to use my external usb hard drive.
    However, none of the workarounds - and I don't want to sound disrespectful or unthankful for the workaround suggestions guys - address the fundamental problem detailed in the first post - namely - why doesn't the Firewire adapter show up in the network connections (or indeed in the network adapters node in the device manager)? The Host Controller is there - and I downloaded one of these driver analysis tools and there is no hardware without a driver - although the tool did show some (unrelated) out of date drivers.

    By the way, the firewire port is on-board. My motherboard is an ASUS P5P43 TD Pro. The Firewire port worked fine when the computer had XP on it so its highly unlikely to be a faulty port ....
     
  10. 2010/10/11
    TonyT

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    Use Device manager to uninstall the 1394 controller, then reboot and let Windows auto install it. BYW, did you install the chipset drivers for the motherboard?

    ASUS Drivers for P5P43TD Pro Motherboard
     
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    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Just a quick note --
    I found a pci firewire card on ebay just now. And - YES - it is compatible with Win7 - or at least the listing says so. It is quite amazing that most of the firewire cards listed don't list compatiblility with Win7 - or indeed with Vista. They all list compatibility with all Operating Systems up to XP but generally no further. We'll see whether it is or not in a couple of days when it comes. I'll let you all know....
     
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    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Tony. I tried both these ideas and no difference - its still not recognised.
     
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    TonyT

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    It appears you have an Intel board. Try getting the latest chipset drivers at the Intel site.
     
  14. 2010/10/19
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Just an update on how I'm getting on with this problem.
    The new firewire card is turning up the same issues as the on-board firewire port - ie it is still not recognised although the OHCI controller appears to be properly installed. Some, on other forums, suggest setting the OHCI controller to the legacy driver but this has no effect whatsoever on my system. I am now having issues with my wireless network card giving connectivity problems. It is connecting to the router but - although it shows internet access - there is essentially no connection to the internet although it will occasionally connect.
    I have now got a working crossover cable which allows me to share my files between my laptop and desktop - and it is also allowing me to use the (XP) laptop's wifi connection to connect to the internet.
    I'm beginning to wish that I'd never upgraded the desktop to Win7 as everything up till then had worked fine under XP. My reason for upgrading was really to go to 64bit and get the maximum performance from my hardware but thats another story...
    I'm thinking now that my next best bet will be to do a clean reinstall of win7 and hope that that helps but I'm not all that confident that it will. The only other alternative at the moment is to look at running a cat5 cable all the way through the house to the router - not an easy task....

    Regards,
    Don.
     
  15. 2010/10/19
    TonyT

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    1. never do upgrade installs, always do a clean install.
    2. have you adjusted the 1394 adapter in it's properties dialog. It will be available in advanced network section.
     
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    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Tony,
    I never do upgrade installs - I always - without exception - reformat the hard drive and install onto a clean reformatted drive. When I installed Win7 on this computer, I did so onto a clean raid array. There was next to no chance of anything corrupting the install.
    I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "advanced network section ". If, by this, you mean Device Manager > Network Adapters > Advanced Tab (of the relevant adapter), then this is precisely what I cannot get to as the firewire adapter is not listed in the network adapters.
    Regards,
    Don.
     
  17. 2010/10/20
    TonyT

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    Click the network icon in system tray > network & sharing center > adapter settings. Is there a 1394 adapter listed?
     
  18. 2010/10/21
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    No Tony - There isn't.
    This has been the problem all along.
     
  19. 2011/08/19
    dnmacleod

    dnmacleod Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    After quite a bit of research, I have discovered that networking via 1394/Firewire is not supported by Windows Vista or Windows 7. This method of file transfer died with Windows XP.

    This is why the 1934 network adapter - available in Device Manager in XP - is no longer available in Device Manager in Vista or Win7.

    Firewire functionality is still available in Vista and Win7 for other peripherals such as Camcorders and external hard drives etc but networking functionality has been withdrawn.

    Hopefully the above will save others from a lot of head-scratching.

    Regards,
    Don.
     
  20. 2011/08/19
    TonyT

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    Yes, MS discontinued support for 1394 networking in Vista and later operating systems, but it can be made to work using certain drivers and software for the adapter. The Unibrain adapter is supposed to work. It ships with many different firewire cards, can be downloaded here:
    http://www.unibrain.com/download/download.asp
     

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