Windows Disk checking problems

I am running W2K on a T30 ThinkPad -- i use Partition Magic 7.0.

When i boot up W2K after the W2K Pro screen -- i get the Disk Check for Consistency" --- it checks C and it always comes back with no problems.

I am new to W2K --- have check the disk with Norton (no problems) and tried with Partition Magic but i get a partition in use error. I have used ChKDSK at the CMD prompt (no problem).

ScanDisk doesn't seem to be included in W2K. I have check with the W2K Defrag analyzer - it gave no problems.

This all seem to occur after i updated with W2K SP4 -- however i probably have made other changes since then too.

First question is what happened to ScanDisk? Is there a replacement or is it hiding somewhere?

Second Question -- any help me find out what is set off this scan and how to turn it off is appreciated....

thanks

dolomite

 

Start-run

type

chkdsk /r (this 2k and XP scandisk)

It will tell you that it cannot do it now (open files) but will do so on next boot.

So reboot!

Mike

 

Thanks for the help... atleast i know where scandisk is hiding...

i tried scandisk and results were the same no errors. the next reboot immediately did the same "consistency" check with the same results --- no errors.

W2K is a lot more "buggy" than 98SE (maybe just my experience) with a lot less control... is there anyway to turn off the chkdsk on boot?

dolomite

 

I disargee. I deal with them all.

I have 2k at home and an XP personal workstation and 2 2k servers at work. To these servers are attached several (85) other 2K machines and many 98 machines. This is my own office but I administer over 1000 stataions in 62 other locations.

2k is my favorite.

You might have a problem that needs correcting.

So give me the exact wording of the "consistancy check ".

Additionally go to Administrative tools Event viewer. Clear all the logs. It's OK clear them. By clearing them we will have a clean slate and when we next reboot we will see only errors that occur on boot.

Then do nothing else but shutdown and restart. Then go stright to Event viewer and at top click "Save log file as" on both Application and System, so save it load it in wordpad copy and paste it back to us.

As another test, shut down and restart in safe mode. Do you get the message here. If not do the following.

Configure CleanMgr to max settings
Go to Start-Run and type

cleanmgr /sageset:1
The above need only be ran once (these settings will be remembered as the default until another sageset is ran).

It will present a menu select all except compress, then

Go to Start-Run and type

cleanmgr /sagerun:1
As long as /sageset above has been ran on this computer from now on the /sagerun is the only thing that needs to run.

Registry and System cleaners
(actually download and install the below in full mode, but do not run these untill you are in safe mode

RegCleaner http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/shtml/regcleaner.shtml
Look in first 2 cols for programs you thought you uninstalled or removed, these are the dregs left by the uninstaller. Also tag and remove any that you are POSITIVE are not supposed to be on your computer. After removing these go to the top Tools-Registry Cleanup-Do them all. Delete all it finds.

EasyClean1.7 http://gswi.com/downloads.htm
Run only unnecessary files and registry clean delete all it finds. If you have ME or XP in the "Unnessesary Files" type the word HELP in the skip box. Do not do Duplicate files!

RegScrubXP http://www.lexunfreeware.com/LexunFreeware.htm
NOTE: W2K and XP only!

Select RegScrub finds problems and remove all it finds.

After all above the do a Defrag.

Mike

PS "CONTROL" much much more in 2k.

 

OK!!! I do like certain things about W2K but i was very fimilar with DOS and 98SE --- i find a lot of things are "hidden" or available from other sources like the startup manager in 98SE. it is a very stable OS ---

i have converted all my 3 machines to W2K --- so it must be OK!

I cleared the System and Applications Logs as suggested ...

I restarted normally and then cleared again and restarted in SAFE mode. After the SAFE mode i decided maybe i better show you the results before proceeding with the next step...

Below is the Apps log for both startups

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EVENT LOG - Application Startup -- Safe mode

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07/06/03 10:26:52 Winlogon Information None 1001 N/A IBM9824 Checking file system on C:
The type of the file system is FAT32.

One of your disks needs to be checked for consistency. You
may cancel the disk check, but it is strongly recommended
that you continue.
Windows will now check the disk.
Volume Serial Number is 3F3F-14F0
Windows has checked the file system and found no problem.
31683552 KB total disk space.
1360992 KB in 348 hidden files.
68480 KB in 3825 folders.
13002576 KB in 151609 files.
17251488 KB are available.

16384 bytes in each allocation unit.
1980222 total allocation units on disk.
1078218 allocation units available on disk.

07/06/03 10:25:03 WinMgmt Warning None 36 N/A IBM9824 WMI ADAP was unable to load the Spooler performance library because it returned an invalid return code: 0x80041001
07/06/03 10:25:03 rasctrs Error None 2001 N/A IBM9824 The description for Event ID ( 2001 ) in Source ( rasctrs ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. The following information is part of the event: The event log file is corrupt..
07/06/03 10:25:03 PerfNet Error None 2002 N/A IBM9824 Unable to open the Redirector service. Redirector performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.
07/06/03 10:25:03 PerfNet Error None 2004 N/A IBM9824 Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.
07/06/03 10:25:03 PerfDisk Error None 1000 N/A IBM9824 Unable to open the Disk performance object. Status code returned is data DWORD 0.
07/06/03 10:12:44 Winlogon Information None 1001 N/A IBM9824 Checking file system on C:
The type of the file system is FAT32.

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EVENT LOG - Applications Startup -- Normal start

=========================================

One of your disks needs to be checked for consistency. You
may cancel the disk check, but it is strongly recommended
that you continue.
Windows will now check the disk.
Volume Serial Number is 3F3F-14F0
Windows has checked the file system and found no problem.
31683552 KB total disk space.
1360992 KB in 348 hidden files.
68448 KB in 3823 folders.
12968016 KB in 151587 files.
17286080 KB are available.

16384 bytes in each allocation unit.
1980222 total allocation units on disk.
1080380 allocation units available on disk.

07/06/03 10:11:47 WMDM PMSP Service Information None 105 N/A IBM9824 The service was started.
07/06/03 10:11:38 NProtectService Information None 3 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM IBM9824 The service was started.
===========================================

You can see the disk check was performed in both cases ... more interesting (maybe) was the startup after the Safe mode, the disk check was not performed. after that the next startup included a disk check.

EVENT LOG - SYSTEMS

===========================

EVENT LOG - SYSTEM startup -- SAFE MODE

=====================================



07/06/03 10:30:55 DCOM Error None 10010 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM IBM9824 The server {1BE1F766-5536-11D1-B726-00C04FB926AF} did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.
07/06/03 10:25:03 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the Telephony service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:50 Service Control Manager Error None 7026 N/A IBM9824 The following boot-start or system-start driver(s) failed to load:
IBMTPCHK
MRxSmb
NetBIOS
NetBT
RasAcd
Rdbss
Smapint
Tcpip
TDSMAPI
TPHKDRV
TPPWR
TSMAPIP
07/06/03 10:24:49 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The Computer Browser service depends on the Server service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:49 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The ActivCard Gold service service depends on the Smart Card service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:49 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The TrueVector Internet Monitor service depends on the vsdatant service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:49 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The System Event Notification service depends on the COM+ Event System service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:49 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The Messenger service depends on the NetBIOS Interface service which failed to start because of the following error:
A device attached to the system is not functioning.
07/06/03 10:24:47 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Service service depends on the AFD Networking Support Environment service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:47 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The Infrared Monitor service depends on the IrDA Protocol service which failed to start because of the following error:
No attempts to start the service have been made since the last boot.
07/06/03 10:24:47 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The DNS Client service depends on the TCP/IP Protocol Driver service which failed to start because of the following error:
A device attached to the system is not functioning.
07/06/03 10:24:47 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The DHCP Client service depends on the SYMTDI service which failed to start because of the following error:
The dependency service or group failed to start.
07/06/03 10:24:47 EventLog Information None 6005 N/A IBM9824 The Event log service was started.
07/06/03 10:24:47 EventLog Information None 6009 N/A IBM9824 Microsoft (R) Windows 2000 (R) 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 Uniprocessor Free.
07/06/03 10:24:47 Service Control Manager Error None 7001 N/A IBM9824 The SYMTDI service depends on the TCP/IP Protocol Driver service which failed to start because of the following error:
A device attached to the system is not functioning.
07/06/03 10:18:12 EventLog Information None 6006 N/A IBM9824 The Event log service was stopped.


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EVENT LOG - SYSTEM startup -- Normal Start up

====================================

07/06/03 10:12:36 Dhcp Warning None 1007 N/A IBM9824 Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network Card with network address 00038A000011. The IP address being used is 169.254.101.152.
07/06/03 10:07:22 E100B Information None 5 N/A IBM9824 Adapter Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection: Adapter Link Up
07/06/03 10:11:35 Server Error None 2506 N/A IBM9824 The value named IRPStackSize in the server's Registry key LanmanServer\Parameters was invalid. The value was ignored, and processing continued.
07/06/03 10:11:32 EventLog Information None 6005 N/A IBM9824 The Event log service was started.
07/06/03 10:11:32 EventLog Information None 6009 N/A IBM9824 Microsoft (R) Windows 2000 (R) 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 Uniprocessor Free.
07/06/03 10:11:34 Ati HotKey Poller Information None 105 N/A IBM9824 The service was started.
07/06/03 10:06:17 EventLog Information None 6006 N/A IBM9824 The Event log service was stopped.


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Since your email said to run CleanMgr if i did NOT get message again --- i decided i better stop to let you look at the logs...


thanks

 

Dave I reccomend you get a backup ASAP!

Trying further to repair this could cause data loss.

? was this HD formated with a drive overlay like EZBIOS?

If so this is likely the problem. The next likely problem is a damaged FAT (File allocation table). And the last is a pending drive failure.

Do you have a backup facility? Drive image? Ghost?

Do you have another HD to attach, so you can copy this partition to it?

If you can, backup some way then here is what you need to do.

Backup.

FDISK this drive then format the drive again before restoring the backup.

In any case get your documents, email, address books, favorites and any other important data off that HD. Do this before attempting further repair.

Only after backing up or saving all important data should you do the above.

There are couple of other things worth trying before resorting to fdisk/format. Only do the below if you are ready to fdisk/format.

1. Install the 2k repair console and boot to it and type

fixboot. Let it repair.

The above is safe as compared to the following items.

2. Partition Magic has a very good repair facility, so if you can get it try that. Reasonablly safe.

3. If you can get the Norton Disk Doctor it may be able to help. (this is the only Norton product I have respect for and will ever reccomend). Reasonably safe!

4. Or let 2k itself convert this drive to NTFS. Little dangerous. It may not allow it to be converted, or it may trash the drive. So as I said be ready to FDISK/FORMAT.

Mike

 

Mike,

I have backed up everything ...

I have run CHKDSK /R, CHKDSK /F, Norton Disk Doctor and actually did a DEFRAG on the hard drive. All reported no errors.

I talked to IBM --- they gave the Hitachi Drive testor which i ran on the drive --- it reports no errors also.

I am reluctant to reformat and reinstall - i have GHOST but i rather do a full re install to clean up the system.

i am suspicious --- about SP4 for W2K. This started at the same time i downloaded SP4. I noticed WinLogon.exe has been modified --- i am wondering if something has been corrupted or a bad DLL? I am also curious about Partition Magic - i used version 7 to install the partition on my drive.

Any help appeciated....

 

Hi Dave M,

Your're testing fate. Remember the first golden rule of computers, "never trust em ". Just when you're finally convinced they're your pal, they'll go and shaft you.

Consider the option of buying a new, replacement drive and keep this one as a back up. Not much money, for the sake of protecting against a potental crash. Laptop drives can get an awful bashing at times, I'm talking about short sharp knocks. The balls's in yr court.

Peter P.

 

Try backing out SP4 to put you back to SP3 where you know things were working OK.

 

Just to update everyone...

1) i tried backing out of SP4 --- that was OK but didn't solve anything.

2) I got a external HDD for my laptop and decided to go the GHOST route. When i used ghost it failed first time - my problem not Ghost. I had use to Symantec GHReboot.exe to repair my boot record and partition table. It took a while to do but results were unexpected --- the CHKDSK problem has been eliminated ...

3) Newt tried to help back a month ago with an excess startup time under W2K. That was resolved also.

I am a little at a loss. i suspect Partition Magic may have some do with this since i use it to partition all my disk. the interesting thing is the other 2 machines have similar setups with no problem.

iam have done a Ghost backup and now am going to re apply SP4... atleast for now i have not had to reformat my disk. it still shows no errors on Norton and hitachi disk tests.

thanks to all

atleast i know more than i did before but am not sure what it is i know more of...

dave m

 

Glad things are looking up for you.

I'm not a PM user but it occurs that your version isn't recent and if you depend on it for partitioning you might have better results with PM v8.x

 

Actually i am using PM 8 but the HDD was partition in PM 7. i don't think there is any real difference.

Interesting - I put SP4 back on W2K and reset the partition data. sure enough the disk check reappeared and so did the long boot time. i backed out of SP4 and reset the partition data and no chkdsk and boot is short again.

i am convinced there is something with the PM partitioning data. But just incase i am backing up the critical files daily....

i am going to contact PowerQuest about PM and any incompatability with SP4 or W2K...

thanks
Dave M