Win98 won't recognize XP pro until it dials up and connects

I have a new Dell with XP Pro and an older Compaq with Win98. I am using a crossover cable and have followed all your very helpful posts up to this point.

The Dell has no problem with the Compaq, although the dial up screen shows up as soon as I logon. When I go to Network Neighborhood on the Compaq it forces the Dell to dial up and won't see it unless it's online.

I set up the Netbeui protocol as suggested in previous posts but I must have something set incorrectly.

 

Margot

On the XP

1. go to control panel-system network idintication and get the workgroup name of the XP. Note it down!

2. create a new user on the XP call it say, Win98 give it a password, can be same if you want, win98 . Password in lower case!

3. after you create this user log off as you currently are and then log back on as this new user. This is to confirm that the logon works. If OK then log back off then back on as you normally do!

On the Win98

1. rt click Network neighborhood, then go to properties then Identification. Change the workgroup to match the XP! Let it reboot as it will want to do.

2. after reboot go to start-shutdown-logoff. It will ask if you are sure (you are sure). Now in the the logon panel put Win98 and the same for password and click OK!

You should now have normal network access!

Mike

 

No luck. The workgroups were already the same and the users are set up with the same name & password.

I think it must be something in the network settings on the Win98 Compaq because the Dell XP pro is behaving perfectly fine except for the dial-up box showing up when I first turn it on.

I have all kinds of settings in there:
Client for Microsoft Networks

Adapters:
the network card adapter
Dial-Up Adapter
Dial-Up Adapter #2 (VPN support)
Microsoft Virtual Private Networking Adapter

Protocols:
NDISWAN->MS VPN Adapter
NetBEUI for the network card
TCP/IP for the network card

The NetBEUI is set as the default protocol. Should I eliminate some of these or does it not matter?

 

Never mind! I just answered my own question--once again I've learned from my mistakes!

The TCP/IP on the Win98 Compaq was set up to dial into my work network. I deleted that protocol then I went into the network setup on the XP and unchecked TCP/IP.

Everything seems to be working perfectly now, thank you very much.

I know you hear this all the time, but this really is the most useful site I've ever found. The explanations are clear and the posters very knowledgeable. Thanks.

 

Which computer has all these settings, or both?

BTW, XP Pro or yuck XP home?

If you do not use VPN in or out (if you don't know if you use VPN then you do not) then they should be uninstalled. Neither should you need IPX/SPX!

NetBeui has to be manually coppied to the XP HD and then specifically installed (added to the protcols) before it will work. Does it show up in the Local area network properties along with TCP/IP? If not it is not installed on the XP.

The dialup on booting has nothing to do with the network in general. It is more of a sign that you have a program trying to dial up so it can update or a Spy/Adware program trying to phone home or post and AD!

Tell me what you are trying to do and how as far as network access. Not including the dialup above because that has nothing to do with the 2 computers connecting.

mike

 

We were answering at the same time!

Glad it is fixed!

mike

 

Except that now, of course, I can't access the internet from the Win98...

The XP is pro (I was reading stuff on this BBS before I bought the computer!)

The reason it was trying to dial in was because of the TCP/IP connection to my work network on the Win98.

Everything works great if I delete the TCP/IP from the Win98, except that I can't access the internet.

If I have TCP/IP on the Win98, nothing works, even though the NetBEUI is the default protocol.

I have it set on both machines to obtain the IP address automatically and on the XP pro to obtain the DNS server address automatically. That is not an option on the Win98.

What should the TCP/IP settings be on the Win98?

 

Do you have ICS (Internet connection Sharing) activated on the XP?

If not you will need it to allow the 98 to connect.

Go to command prompt on XP

type

ipconfig /all >c:\xpcfg.out

exit from the command prompt

find the file xpcfg.out (created above) in the root of drive c: load it and copy it and then paste it back in a message and I will tell you what to set on the win98 machine.

Mike

 

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Dell
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-07-E9-EF-E3-68
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : PPP adapter Tulane 5 hour:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.81.33.167
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 129.81.33.167
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.81.224.50

 

OK I see by the IP of the XP that you do have ICS installed!

On the 98, network tcpip properties manually set the IP to 192.168.0.2 subnet to 255.255.255.0!

Wins Configuration disabled.

Gateway 192.168.0.1

Apply and reboot.

For the first test of this let the XP connect to the internet first leave it connected then try on the 98.

If this don't work do the same ipconfig process in my other message while connected to the internet (I forgot to mention this). But we may have enough!

If the frist connection works, then hang up the modem on the XP and try to connect from the 98, it should cause the XP to dial automatically.

Mike

 

No luck--no connection.

And, as long as the TCP/IP is on the Win98, Network Neighborhood won't see the Dell, or the networked printer, although, the G drive I set up pointing to the Dell does work.

I have NetBEUI set as the default protocol per a previous post--is that incorrect?

Also, I have DNS disabled on the Win98 because we assigned an IP address--is that correct?

I've paired the list down to just the network card, NetBeui and TCP/IP--no dial-up adapters or VPN stuff.

 

Yes setting netbeui as default is correct.

The fact that you can see the XP across the network with TCP/IP removed proves netbeui is working, because unless you have another different protcol installed it is the only way it can see it.

I would suggest you uninstall TCIP and reinstall from the windows CD. It is somehow corrupted.

To do this leave it removed from the network. Then go to control panel add/remove then click the Windows Settings tab at the top. Then chose Communications then uncheck Dialup networking and VPN.

Apply and OK. Let it reboot to finish. Then go back to same place and recheck dialup networking but not VPN. Let it reboot to finish the install.

Then go back and add TCIP to NIC. Just add do no settings. Reboot to finish!

Now to test if everything works while installed but unconfigured.

Then apply the settings I gave you. Will require a reboot!

It would be nice if you gave me the ipconfig while connected to the internet as I might need to change or add something.

Mike

 

Sorry--I meant to tell you--the IPConfig was while I was connected to the internet.

Thanks for your patience--I'll try the reinstall and let you know.

 

Oh, my--you were right! You're my hero!

We are so close--everything is working except that the Win98 is getting the "Page cannot be displayed" message from IE. I'm sure it's just something I'm missing in the setup.

 

Then the ICS is not working yet

On the Win98 computer Network neighborhood properties.

TCP/IP DNS Configuration

Put the below number in DNS server search order!

129.81.224.50

Reboot!


Connect to the internet on the XP
command prompt

type

ipconfig /all

write down the IP address that is 4 lines up from the bottom

Now go to the win98.

Do this on Win98

command prompt
type

ping 192.168.0.1

then

ping ???.??.??.?? < put IP address you wrote down here

then

ping 129.81.224.50


Success will be 3 replies from....
failure will be unable to reach etc

If all get replies then you should be able to get online

Tell me which have errors if any, otherwise you should be online.

Mike

 

Sorry for the delay. We went out to dinner and in New Orleans that takes at least 4 hours.

I pinged and the last one was the only one that responded.

 

Ok, I (being ever the optimist) tried again this morning, and I am now typing this from the Win98 machine! Perhaps it needed to be turned off after changing the DNS instead of just rebooting.

Or is it possible that it might work sometimes but not others?

However, the first two pings still did not work--does that mean anything?

 

Hmmmm

That is odd because the frist number is your XP computer which you say is working (on the network) it should ping

the second number is the IP address of your ISP (if something isn't right this could fail) so possible.

the third number is the DNS of your ISP and in order to reply the ping has to go thru thru 1st 2 numbers and should have failed.

Additionally I should be able to ping the last number from here and get a response but I cannot.

Something is wrong on the XP.

The protocols on the XP are correct as evidence by the network being available.

The 98 is correct now correct for the same reason.

So it boils down to the ICS or a firewall. At this point I don't believe it to be the firewall because I cannnot ping your ISP's reported DNS from here indicating that the IP of the DNS is incorrect.

I need the following from you.

The name of your ISP as in burbonstreet.net and is it the same as the last part of your email address like margot@burbonstreet.net.

Also if you have paperwork from them that you may have gotten when first setting up that has anything to do with Primary and secondary DNS numbers, IP numbers etc.

Additionally try this and let me know the results.

Clear the IP's, gateways and DNS numbers from the 98 and set it to DHCP and reboot.

Then ping 192.168.0.1.

If this works and if the XP is connected to the www do the following.

ping yahoo.com

If that is successful then try to browse the www.

Get back with results.

Mike

 

The ISP is Tulane University--Tulane.edu, I presume, since that is the email protocol at work. They may have some killer firewall, I don't know.

The Dell came with McAfee firewall.

To set it up, all I had to do was create a new connection on the XP as a modem connection and enter the phone number and my University user name and password.

So far everything has worked beautifully this morning, so I don't want to mess with it--if I have a problem later I'll try setting it to DHCP and get back in touch with you--or I'll talk to the University TIS folks and see if they're aware of any problem like this. They may have encountered it before.

Mike, I can't thank you enough for your patient and precise help. I just bought a paid subscription because of you.

 

Thanks for the Thanks that is my pay.

Thanks also for subscribing, there are many experienced users and even experts on this BBS. I think it is the best but it still takes money to operate and allow Arie to drive a BMW. Lol!!!

Arie where do I pckup my commision?? Lol!

Anyway so it is not really important to you for the win98 to browse the www thru the XP. If so then I wouldn't bother it either.

Good luck, happy Easter

Mike