help installing 98se in D: drive

When I bought a new C HD I had them use the old one as D.
Now I want to put 98se in D for testing buggy windows.
D has been formatted and is 6MB.(okay 6GB)
Win98se is on disk, and also in Win98 folder in D.
Startup floppy is new.
The problem is I can't figure out the commands to get 98se to install. It either wants to install in C or I get 'bad command' in dos.
I have printouts from MS and others that tell everything but what to type in!!
Somebody please give me the incantation.

 

terryr,

I'm not quite clear here on what you are wanting.

Do you have two hard drives, the new one as master & the old as slave? Trying to install windows on the slave drive, which I presume is the D.

I hope you mean 6GB, not 6MB.

One thing is, when you have two drives on the same cable, and want to install onto the slave, then you must be able to boot to that one. To do this is not easy without a program like Boot Magic.

Turn computer off. Unplug power cord.

Now installing to the second (slave) drive is more easily done, for me that is, by unplugging the main drive from the drives cable, & switching the jumper on only the slave to make the slave a temporary master. It is not necessary to switch the jumper on the main drive, when it has been disconnected from the drive cable.

By disconnecting the main drive, this ensures that you don't goof up & install over the one on the main drive, because that is the one the computer would boot to by default if you don't have it either disconnected, or using a program like Boot Magic, and the other PowerQuest tool goodies.

Once you've disengaged the master drive, & made the other one a temporary master, re-connect power cord, & the computer will then boot to that one instead of the one that was the master. Boot your computer, & put in your 98 boot floppy, & install as if you were installing to the one you disconnected. Using fdisk, format C, and setup in DOS.

Once finished installing necessary stuff onto the drive, turn the computer off, disconnect power cord, re-hook up the main drive, & switch the jumper back to slave position on the slave drive. Re-connect power cord. It will not boot to the drive you just installed onto. It should boot to the new drive by default. Get Boot Magic, and Install it onto your master hard drive, and set the boot options in Boot Magic in order to boot to either one at will.

That's the way I did it. I know that some others may have more normal ways of doing things, but I have never been accused of being NORMAL.

My Daddy used to say I was bassakwards.

I welcome anyone else to jump in here with a better way.

 

I never thought of doing it via hardware. Interesting.
I was hoping that there must be a software way of doing it. All the websites I 've looked at makes it seem so easy. "after you install the second copy.. then use a boot program ".
D drive used to have all the files from C, so it should have dos and partitions already, right? I ran format from windows.
My own problem is that dos was never learned, but I can type and follow instructions.

 

I really don't know much about DOS either, but I learned enough to install from scratch.

There is a software way of doing it. The Powerquest tools. Partition Magic 8.0, Drive Image 5.0, & Boot Magic, but at first those can be more confusing than what some consider the hard way.

Yes, a boot manager is necessary to boot from one to the other unless you want to be constantly unplugging, & switching jumpers. The boot manager should be installed on the master drive.

If your D drive, as you are calling it, still has the Operating System on it & etc, then all you really need is a boot manager installed on your main drive. That will fix it so that when you boot up, you can choose which drive you want to boot to.

If you have formatted the old drive, then you have erased what was on it, and Windows will have to be re-installed on it.

Once you have an OS on each drive, no matter which one you are booted to, the OS that lives on it will recognize it as a C drive.

Your main drive OS will not see the OS primary that is on the second drive. It will only see the logical partitions if there are any. The same applies to the second drive, if you are booted to it instead.

I know this is a bit confusing, but it does become clearer the more you work with it.

 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;221829

This is a must have for anyone wanting to install their own OS on a clean freshly formatted hard drive. Even a brand new one just purchased.

It helped me become independent of needing help from anyone (my newphew-in-law) to do this sort of stuff.

Some of the instructions on it will not apply to you, because it will depend on what you are trying to accomplish. The best thing to do is print out the article, (5 pages) and study it thoroughly & decide what applies to your situation, & then proceed from there, if you are planning to install Windows 98 on a clean hard drive. Even if you aren't installing to a clean drive, this is a good addition to your library for any future use\problems that can't be fixed any other way. Very useful piece of material, if for no other reason than to keep you out of the repair shops & paying them $100.00 or more to do what you can do yourself.

Once you've accomplished whatever it is you are trying to do, & gotten all of your updates from Windows Update, I suggest getting a copy of a good back-up program, & making an image of your OS's while they are working good, for restoration whenever an insurmountable problem arises. Store the images in several places. A logical partition on one of your drives. On CD's & etc.

So much easier, & less time consuming, to restore a good working image than it is to start from scratch.

I know I'm getting a little off track here, but since I've done this, I would be scared silly not to have those back-up images now. Especially with MS dropping support for 98 in June of this year.

 

Thanks for the input.
As I said, the problem is that I can't get windows to install to D drive. Boot magic and all that is later.
Microsoft doesn't say how to install to D either. C seems to be the standard choice, and the install doesn't give any selection.

 

I am sorry if I am not being as clear as maybe I could be. I just don't know exactly how to explain it.

C is the only choice.

When you disconnect the main master drive, & you fix it to where the other (slave) drive is the only drive you have hooked up to the MBoard & processor, as a temporary master, & are installing an OS to it, that drive becomes the current active bootable master C drive, and the default installation path.

It's a bit difficult to understand, but the current drive that you are installing to is always a C drive for installing an OS to. It becomes the currently active C drive, & Windows sees the drive as a C drive, no matter what you are calling it.

In your mind, it is a D drive, but Windows sees it as a C drive.

Once you understand how Windows sees things, it becomes easier to do the task, because then you can begin to think the way Windows interprets things.

Once you accomplish installing the OS to this drive, then you will have to have a boot manager in order to boot to it, & use the OS that you've installed on it, without having to switch the jumpers everytime on both drives.
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The software way of doing things with 98 or 98SE requires buying a copy of the Powerquest Utilities, (or some other equally good set of utilities), & installing them on the master drive. With that you could use the Imaging utility to copy the OS from the main master drive onto the second slave drive. Then if you wanted, use the Partitioning utility to resize the part containing the OS on the slave drive, & convert the remainder of the drive to a primary logical partition for storing data.

The retail version of Partition Magic 8.0 comes with both Boot Magic & Drive Image.
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I hope I haven't confused things even more.

 

Deloris's way is the way to go. You can't install windows on a hard drive that is on the secondary controller which is the case with your d: drive. Disconnect what is now your c: drive and connect the other one to it. Leave the original c: drive disconnected until your done installing windows on the new one. Then, put things back the way they were. You'll also (as Deloris said) need some sort of boot manager because fdisk will only let you set a partition as active on the primary controller. One more thing. When you formatted the hard drive, did you create a primary partition or just a logical partition? It needs to be a primary partition in order to boot from it. I would also install the boot manager before doing this. Using boot magic you can then create a rescue boot disk which you should do. Sooner or later you'll probably be glad you did. After you install windows on the drive and put things back the way they were, before you boot back to windows, boot with the boot magic rescue disk and add the new system to the menu. Then reboot without the disk in the drive. Doing this first will insure that the new windows system gets hidden properly from the other one and vise versa. Not absolutly necessary but when one windows see's another windows it can and does occasionally cause problems. Your choice! If you don't want to use boot magic I believe you can find free boot managers out there someplace.

 

Thank you Zander,

I appreciate the help here, and the vote of confidence.

I knew I was "maybe" not getting everything in there, but couldn't figure out exactly what I was leaving out, or not getting quite right.

It's always easier to do it than it is to tell someone how to do it.

 

Seems to me you covered it all pretty good. I just more or less repeated what you said and added a couple of my own thoughts on using the boot manager.

Isn't that the truth!!!

 

Thanks for the insight. I took a few days off from computer problems.
Now that I know, I know.

The partition is whatever it is. The drive had windows on it, and I just used the 'format' command from windows in C. Does it wipe the partitions or just the info?

 

If the drive had windows on it, it was a primary partition. If all you did was format it, nothing has changed as far as the partition goes so you should be able to install windows on it the way it is. Sounds as if your good to go.