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Remove system restore folders?

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  1. 2002/05/21
    doctorjellybean

    doctorjellybean Inactive Thread Starter

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    After disabling system restore, I want to remove the folders as it takes up unneccessary space. In WinME it was in the drive's root folder, so where is it located in XP?

    Thanks.
     
  2. 2002/05/22
    Newt

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    Dang thing was hard to locate. Seriously hidden and not a lot of info on how to get to it - especially if using NTFS.

    Finally found something though. Take a look Here.
     
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  4. 2003/02/24
    Christer

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    To prove that I try to find answers before asking ...... :rolleyes: ...... from Newts linked article:

    Do I understand this correctly if I, after disabling SR, remove the restore-folders within the SVI-folder but leave the SVI-folder in its place?

    Does each partition contain its own restore-folders or is everything on the system partition in the SVI-folder?
    (In WinME each partition has its own restore-folder.)

    Are the restore-folders removed when disabling SR thus making this a non-issue?

    Have new information come to light during the past nine months?



    Thanks for Your time,
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  5. 2003/02/24
    KenKeith

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    Disabling SR certainly removes the points, and it is reasonable to believe if the links are removed the space is freed up. In general that is the process to free space.

    It has been my understanding if one disables SR and sets cache size to the very minimum almost all space is recovered. However, there appears to be an option to eliminate SR's empty folders. This would be a irreversable solution without recovering much additional space in my opinion.
     
  6. 2003/02/24
    Christer

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    KenKeith,
    thanks for Your reply!

    I´ll make a fresh install of WinXP in the near future (hopefully) and plan to disable SR from the beginning and rely on Norton Ghost or other software for system recovery.

    So, with SR disabled I assume that it would be safe to remove all restore-folders, if any are present in the SVI-folder, with or without contents.

    From the article:

    Would it be wise to keep one restore-folder (if present) to save these files or is that neither neccesary nor even a good idea?



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  7. 2003/02/24
    KenKeith

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    Christer,

    I don't believe it is advisable to remove any system files or folders that are integrated into the operating system. Back up files are an exception. Removing folders could cause a problem!?

    Many years ago, I ran a third-party app to clean-up unnecessary files. The program ID system files and other files that could be deleted, possibly deleted and OK to delete. I ended up reinstalling the OS due to many problems that developed subsequently. Other posters have also recommended not deleting any files associated with the OS unless with obsolute knowledge one knows it would not cause harm.
     
  8. 2003/02/24
    Christer

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    Okey, I was under the impression that doctorjellybean knew that it/they could be safely removed but, as You point out, better not tamper with them unless you know for sure ......



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  9. 2003/02/25
    Christer

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    I found this article on Microsoft TechNet:

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301224

    Restore Points are automatically purged if System Restore is turned off.

    If you choose to use SR, Restore Points can be deleted by using the Disk Cleanup Utility which will purge all Restore Points but the last one.



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  10. 2003/02/25
    KenKeith

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    Apparently, I made an incorrect assumption as I thought we all understood there is a disabling feature associated with SR. The same feature also exists with ME. But the OP wanted to bypass the disable procedure and go to the root and delete the RS folder. I believe the deletion of the folder at the root may or could present a problem. Or any other obscure procedure that gets into the registry. You will note the link to the SR for OPs review was to recover not delete. I guess what I am saying is there may be few necessary steps missed to maintain integrity if one bypasses the regular designed procedure disable and instead deletes at the root. Also, deleting a folder and not disabling doesn't make sense if one wants to avoid using SR.

    Thanks for the link you provided. I certainly believe there would be no problem following the regular procedure to disable as you suggest. If one disables SR, it logically follows the space is recovered.
     
  11. 2003/02/25
    Christer

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    When I get around to installing XP, I´ll immediately disable SR on all drives as described in the TechNet article.
    Next I´ll have a look in the SVI-folder or SVI-folders if any exist on the D: and E: too.

    I think that, if anything is there, it will be minimal and not worth fiddling with.

    It will be interesting to see if those registry backups, which are created during setup, are there or if they are purged too.

    Is the registry backed up elsewhere?



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  12. 2003/02/26
    KenKeith

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    I think there is a misunderstanding. Let's start at the beginning. Doctor...wants to remove the folder after disabling SR.

    To disable SR, go to system properties and check the box (turn off system restore) or move the slider to minimum. No future restore points will exist, no bckup, and space will be made available immediately.

    I have XP that was installed and came on my new machine. The folder is located C:\Windows\System32\Restore. There are about 11 files in the folder GUID, SR-reg, restore log, etc. The total space of the files is about 3,500 KB. These files are not backup files. Backup files were eliminated by the disabling feature. To zap the folder, in my opinion, may cause a problem, but if doc deleted that folder without a problem then it may be OK. If you need 3,500 KB, then delete the folder that holds those files. I have 40 gigs of space, and I don't worry about KB's.
     
  13. 2003/02/27
    Christer

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    I agree that the size of what You´ve got in Your computer isn´t anything to worry about, by doctorjellybean I was lead to believe that it was HUGE!

    I don´t know when the article, to which Newt provided a link, was written but it gives this search path to the folder:

    C:\System Volume Information\_restore{D86480E3-73EF-47BC-A0EB-A81BE6EE3ED8}RP1Snapshot

    On Your computer it´s:

    C:\Windows\System32\Restore

    Are we talking about the same folder?

    It seems like I´ll have to find the time to install XP on my own computer instead of just talking about it! :rolleyes:



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  14. 2003/02/27
    KenKeith

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    You have ME installed. I fired up my other computer that has ME. The restore folder is C:\restore. It contains 4 files with a total of less than 50 KB. I still have restore points available that ends about 6 months ago. The size of ME O/S is about 408 meg.
    Yes. There is only one restore folder. The link you refer to is a procedure to recover from a crash, locate the backup registry from a NTFS environment and copy the registry files to C:\Windows\System32\config. This will enable the Recovery Console to function and restore the OS.
     
  15. 2003/02/27
    Christer

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    KenKeith,
    we are actually talking past eachother.

    You´re correct that, at the present time, I´m on WinME and I´ve found the restore-folder on that OS but I´m migrating to WinXP shortly (I hope, I´ve been saying that for quite some time now) which I´m trying to learn about.

    I´m sorry ...... :eek: ...... if I´ve set You off on a wild goose chase!

    I´m aware that the article I refer to is about recovery but it was the only place where i found reference to the location of the SR-folders in WinXP, another possibility for misunderstanding eachother.

    Now I´m convinced that the left overs after disabling SR are minimal and not worth bothering about and that´s the important conclusion.



    Thanks for Your assistance,
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  16. 2003/02/28
    KenKeith

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    Christer,

    A more important consideration is whether or not you are going to format NTFS or FAT. You may want to research that subject before making a decision.

    If you format FAT you have the option to convert to NTFS after the installation. If the installation is NTFS, there is no option to revert to FAT very easily.
     
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  17. 2003/03/01
    Christer

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    Oh yes ...... :D ...... I started that investigation a while ago! The expertise have differing opinions on the matter and at the moment the score is 60-40 in favour of ......



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  18. 2003/03/02
    KenKeith

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    If I were to install XP, I would seriously consider FAT, but FAT doesn't fully utilize XP's space saving (compression) features, security features, etc. that differentiates the XP kernal capabilities, however one can easily go with NTFS format after becoming acquainted with the FAT format and whether or not a change to NTFS would be beneficial.

    Opinions may differ because people have different a configuration of their hardware and associated driver, third-party apps, etc. For example, I recently purchased a CD-RW internal and the associated software cannot backup NTFS data! But I have been told a patch will be provided in the future.

    You have expressed the idea of disabling SR and backing up the system differently. I am not able to do that with my CD-RW and the present software. Other people may have different experiences, likes and dislikes based on their system and knowledge, experience, whatever. One would have to weigh that against the advantages NTFS. !
     
  19. 2003/03/02
    Christer

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    Roger that!

    One issue that I haven´t got a clear picture of, is the probability of a conversion from FAT to NTFS going wrong. I mean really wrong, loss of your data and back to square one with a fresh installation.
    Is it one in ten or one in a hundred or one in ...... conversions going wrong?

    Since Murphy of "Murphys Law" seems to be a close relative of mine, I tend to avoid anything that I know could go wrong so, going FAT would be a definitive choise too.

    For backup I´ve used Norton Ghost 2001. My CD-burner isn´t compatible with Ghost so I have to put the split Image on E: and use the normal CD-burner software to transfer to CDs.
    That doesn´t bother me. I´ve used my image once to restore and I did it from E:. The CDs are there in case of the big one.

    Norton Ghost 2003, which can write to a local NTFS partition, will probably be my choise of backup software when I migrate to WinXP.
    Other software has been recommended, that doesn´t need to boot to DOS and can image an active system partition from within the OS. My relationship with Murphy makes me hesitate and I´d like to know how these locked-in-use files can be imaged but that´s a different topic.



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