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Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Christer, 2021/01/12.

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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Good to hear and I hope that goes for the other participants too!

    No, what I mean is that you have your "valid reasons" and I have my "valid reasons".

    Well, I have no idea but as you indicate, there must be a lot of people out there who obviously don't care enough to make any noise at all. I could make a double-post since it happens, repeatedly, on both my systems, a DeskTop with W10 PRO and a LapTop with W10 HOME. What they have in common is AMD and the display driver was forced upon both systems but other than that, I have no idea about the whats and the whys. (The mention of the issue with the mouse pointer in a previous post refers to the DeskTop.)

    None of the above but a Samsung SyncMaster 2494 monitor with integraded USB-ports.

    I have a Samsung SSD:s in the DeskTop (upgrade from a HDD) as well as in the LapTop (original) but apart from the monitor connected to the DeskTop, nothing else and I have checked the device manager for traces of Samsung.

    What do you mean by that? That we have to trust each others words since we can not visit in person to verify the "anecdote"?
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    Steves and Bills most recent posts are off-topic but:

    I read about that problem and decided to not install the upgrade to 2004 for as long as 1909 was still supported and until the next version proved to not suffer from it. That decision was not respected by Microsoft who forced 2004 onto both my systems, two systems running a version that is still supported. I had no reason to believe it was "fake news" and staying with 1909 would not be disastrous.

    This comment too is off-topic so, let us put an end to this discussion. It will take us no further, I think!

    Edited: I've read through a few previous topics and I believe it was the issue with chkdsk that I wanted to avoid but it may have been a different reason. I honestly don't remember!
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I am assuming the USB ports in your Samsung are seen as attached hardware, specifically, a separate USB hub. Did you install software for that monitor? And is that a relatively new monitor?

    No. It is not about trust. It is the fact that anecdotal evidence is not really evidence - at least not evidence of what is normal or the rule. We see this all the time in forums. For example, a poster received a ASUS motherboard that failed on first power up so he posts that ASUS makes lousy motherboards. He then claims his "sample-size-of-one" example is proof. Clearly, ASUS makes great motherboards and that poster's was an exception to the rule. Exceptions don't make the rule. Neither do anecdotes.

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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    I don't remember if I installed drivers for the monitor. I don't think so but if I did, it was when I built the system in 2011 and it started its life running Windows 7 PRO. The upgrade to Windows 10 PRO probably blew any installed drivers sky high or at least made them untraceable.

    I did install AMD Catalyst Control Center but that's for the graphics card.
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    You typically can tell if you installed the monitor drivers if Device Manager displays the monitor model number. Otherwise, it typically says something like PnP Monitor. Also, with the driver installed, the unsupported resolutions are grayed out.

    A moot point anyway since I was wondering if the monitor was new about the time those WU drivers were installed.

    BTW, I never install the Catalyst Control Center. I found it to be a resource hog and more trouble than worth. Most users only need the basic drivers anyway.
     
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    Christer Geek Member Staff Thread Starter

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    The monitor and the graphics card both are identified by their respective model number.

    I installed it against better knowledge ... :rolleyes: ... I don't think that I ever changed a setting for anything other than Hydragrid.
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Well, I've been using NVIDIA in recent years so maybe they got the bugs out of CCC by now.

    I would expect the graphics card to be properly identified because that driver is a proper driver. Monitor drivers are not true drivers because operating systems don't communicate directly with monitors and don't need to. That's what the card (or integrated solution) is for. The graphics solution already knows how to communicate with monitors (or else we could never boot into the BIOS before any OS is even installed). For monitors, typically the default settings via normal Plug n Play for resolution, refresh rates, etc. are already the optimal settings anyway. So typically, you only need monitor drivers to enable extra features (like, maybe, internal speakers or USB hubs) or to change default settings via the OS instead of the OSD.
     
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