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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    The partitions on my HDD need to be adjusted, as I keep getting warnings when the free space on my C drive shrinks. I am using Win 8.1. I have a Samsung 750GB HDD. Here are my present partitions:

    C (OS and programs that won't install elsewhere) 5.9GB free of 55GB
    G (programs and documents) 31GB free of 72.9GB
    I (movies, backups and large ISO files) 271GB free of 570GB

    I'd like to move 20GB of free space from I to C. Let me know if you recommend I move more, as I plan to eventually upgrade to Win 10. I'm familiar with resizing when free space is available next to the partition, but this isn't next to the partition, and I don't want to mess up any of the data already stored on these 3 partitions. I guess I could move 20GB from I to G and then 20GB from G to C. I also don't need G and I to be separate partitions but would like to keep my OS on a separate partition. What do you recommend?
     
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    TonyT SuperGeek Staff

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    Can't be done in one shot using Windows built in partition tools. To increase the size of the C partition on a drive, the "free space" MUST come from the adjacent partition on the drive. If go to Disk Mgmt, this would be the partition to the right of C: partition. In your case it's probably the G partition.

    Thus you would have to first increase the G partition by decreasing the I partition, then increase C partition using the new space on G.

    This does not look like correct math:
    l271GB free of 570GB
     

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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Tony, that was what I was suggesting when I said "I guess I could move 20GB from I to G and then 20GB from G to C." Maybe I should just merge I with G and then add 20GB from that partition to C. What are your thoughts? Should I use Disc Mgmt, or should I use Easeus?
     
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    My thoughts on doing this are:

    1. I have resized C partitions by first moving stuff on the adjacent partition to a backup drive, then deleting the adjacent partition. In your case that's unworkable as you've programs installed on that partition. (see below)

    2. Either way should work, as would using Dick Mgmt or Easus.

    3. My strongest thought is BACKUP all needed files BEFORE you do anything. It's well worth buying an external usb drive for the backup. You can get terrabyte usb drives for 50 bucks today.

    4. Easiest way may be to uninstall the programs that are installed on G, then move any remaining files to I. Then delete the G partition. Then extend C into the free space that used to be G. Then reinstall the programs onto C. You'll then have 35+ gb free on C after the program installs. And then do a disk cleanup to get rid of temp files and junk. If all goes well you can then delete all old restore points, freeing up more space, and then immediately create a new one.

    On my Win8 desktop I used to have 2 drives.
    Disk0 was C (windows) & D (files).
    Disk1 was E (multimedia) & F (backups).

    I changed it to 3 drives.
    Moved E files to new drive, multimedia only.
    Moved D files to E partition.
    Deleted the D partition on disk0.
    Made C the entire drive.

    You should also consider just adding a second drive. That's probably the best solution along with 4 above (reinstall programs), because if have backups on the drive and the drives fails, the backups are useless.
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I do have a second drive (160GB), and the computer is dual booted. I used to have lots of partitions, but I'm getting fewer and fewer as time goes on. I'm wondering if I may be better off by buying a SSD for the OS, dual booted with the 750GB HDD and then use the 160GB HDD just for backups. Can you recommend a good one that won't cost much more than $100 that can be dual booted? Maybe after doing that I may consider upgrading to Win 10 (if the bugs are out of it already). It would be nice to just put Win 10 on a SSD, but I guess I have to upgrade from 8 to get it for free. For now, I guess I'll uninstall the programs on G and then copy and paste everything else onto I. After I do that, I'll delete G and expand C into what was G. After that, I'll reinstall the programs I had on G on the I partition. Thanks for talking me through this.
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Where are D, E, F, and H partitions. Do you really need 7 (assuming H is the last) partitions? I have found over the years that too many partitions actually creates more confusion (and certainly less "available" disk space). It might be easier, or at least more efficient to delete some partitions and merge that space into C.

    That's what I use and recommend.
     
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    Barry

    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    D & H are the partitions for my secondary HDD. F doesn't exist (other than when I put something into a USB port), and E is a 3.3MB partition (preceding my C partition) I've never been able to eliminate and absorb into other partitions. Since E is so small, I've just ignored it.

    My goal in posting here has always been to get feedback on deleting and merging space into C, as I also see it as easier and more efficient. My reasons for more than 2 partitions per HDD no longer exist.
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Then I agree with Tony and you should backup your data and then use a program like EASEUS Partition Master Home Edition (which is free for home, non-commercial use :)), to just merge your partitions into one. I have never had Partition Master lose or corrupt any data, but whenever you mess with partitions and/or move files around, there is always a risk something might happen. Even a badly timed unexpected power outage (is there a good time?) can mean disaster.

    The problem with your "programs" that have been installed on these other partitions is they will still be registered in the Windows Registry as being installed on the other drives (this will only affect those not on C). But often, you can just run the install program again and these settings will be "corrected" in the Registry rather than a total new install. I have done this several times with Microsoft Office and upon the reinstallation, the install program found the old installation and prompted to "repair" the install. This was great because for one, it was quick, but also, all my custom settings in Word, Outlook, etc. remained in tact. :(

    Not all programs are that smart, however. So some things will need to be totally reinstalled. But that gives you an opportunity to set up your folders the way you really want them.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks for the info. Any thoughts on a SSD to dual boot to this computer?
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    It has been many years since I had a dual boot setup. As for SSDs, all I can say there is I don't use hard drives any more! All my builds use SSDs only. And I like Samsung SSDs. Their new 850 Pro line is great, but nothing wrong with the less expensive 850 EVO line.

    Understand even the slowest SSD will run circles around the fastest hard drives.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I like dual boot capability in case one drive crashes, but I've read that some SSDs won't allow dual booting. Which good ones do allow dual booting?
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I have never heard of that. Got a link?
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    I can't seem to find that anymore. Are you saying there would be no problem dual booting between a SSD and a HDD (using 8.1 or 10)? If not, I'll get the 250GB 850 EVO.
     
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    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I am saying I can find nothing that says it cannot be done. And I am saying a quick search with Google shows people are doing it.

    There may a problem if you have a UEFI motherboard but there are ways around that too.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    My mobo is a Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 with Legacy BIOS, so that shouldn't be an issue.
     
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    re drive lettering:

    I like to keep my drive letters ordered. Disk0 will have C only, or C & D etc. Disk 1 will have D, E, etc. And so on. You can use Disc Mgmt to easily change drive letters without rebooting. For example, if disk0 has C, G and I, and D and E are already in use, you can first change D & E to any free letter and that will make D & E available to use on disk0. The re-letter the other partions in the same manner.

    As for that small boot partition at the beginning of the C drive, well Windows 7 and up installers will create and put the boot files on that partition. But the installer will not create that small boot partition IF you partition the disk before you boot the installer, it will put the boot files on the C drive. That's how I always install. That small partition is a primary partition.
     
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    Yes, if have programs installed on a different partition than C, the shortcuts will break.

    And yes, drive lettering will always be different when booting a secondary operating system because Windows always assigns C to the operating system drive.

    Myself, I no longer dual/triple boot my windows desktop because I made bootable thumb drive that loads a live operating system that can be used to access the drives if the hard drive windows boot fails.

    Also, I never use logical partitions anymore. I've never needed more than 4 partitions on a drive and any drive will allow up to 4 primary partitions.
     
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    Barry Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Tony, the bootable thumb drive makes sense. Care to walk me through the process of making one? What OS do you recommend for it? With a bootable thumb drive, I could just install 8.1 on a new SSD and then upgrade it to 10, while using my other 2 HDDs just for storage.
     
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    If you have an 8.1 dvd then just boot that to install it onto a ssd.
    There are utilities that can make an iso file from a dvd. You can use one to make your iso, then use the MS utility to create the bootable thumb drive:
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media

    My bootable thumb drive uses Linux. Too much to explain here...
     

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