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Please, let Windows XP die with dignity

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Arie, 2013/11/08.

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    Arie

    Arie Administrator Administrator Staff Thread Starter

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    Great article from Ed Bott..

    Please, let Windows XP die with dignity
     
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    James Martin

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    Time flies.

    It seems just a few years ago (2004) when I finally retired W98se. 2014 seemed like a long ways off back then, and now it's almost upon us.
     

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    Steve R Jones

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    I still have 2 or 3 sealed retail XP's that I thought would be worth something someday. Maybe 10 years from now...
     
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    retiredlearner

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    Make sure you save SP3 and updates as well Steve. :eek: Neil.
     
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    fdamp

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    Just leave the bloody thing alone. It doesn't need the perennial updates and it works just fine for most folks that still use it. Don' support it, MS, if you don't want to, but don't kill it.

    If Redmond does anything that kills off XP, I'll switch to Mac rather than their dumb-ass Win 8. At least, Apple knows how to REALLY do touch screens.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Why not just move to Windows 7 once Windows XP is no longer supported? IMO Windows 7 is far better than Windows XP and you get to use the desktop in all its glory.

    I've also used Windows 8 and its not that horrible. The touch interface does s.u.c.k. if you aren't using a touch screen monitor but you can use a variety of programs and interface tweaks to disable the Start screen and restore the Window Start Menu. I don't think its worth switching over to a Mac system just because Windows XP support will end.
     
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    retiredlearner

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    If you can't keep up with MS OS's imagine trying to keep up with Apples new models. They're up to Series 5 with the Pads in as many years. :eek: Neil.
     
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    fdamp

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    Evan:

    By next year, finding W7 might be difficult. My desk-top is a bit marginal for it and some of my other software isn't compatible, but I might make the switch after the new year. Then I wonder how long it will be before MS kills W7, too.

    Actually, given the vast XP user base in various industries (particularly the hospitals), an independent support organization for XP may spring up, possibly staffed by ex-Microsofties.

    After working with MS programs since Win 3.0, and prior to that with ALGOL, FORTAN and two different assembly languages, I do find Apple rather daunting, but if DW can hack it, I should be able to.

    As far as I know, the various sequential upgrades to the Apple product lines don't make the older ones obsolete.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Windows 7 is set to end mainstream support in 2015 and extended support in 2020 so its going to be a while before upgrading from Windows 7 will be considered a recommendation from Microsoft.

    This is possible but the XP machines connected to the Internet will be exposed to multiple unpatched security holes that hackers can take advantage of. Organizations with the resources could pay Microsoft a yearly fee for them to roll out security patches beyond XP's retirement date but that is not a cost effective solution. The computers that are isolated running specialized programs and are not connected to the Internet won't need to be upgraded since they pose no security risk.

    But its all of the home users that don't know any better will be the ones at the most risk of getting their machines compromised if they continue to use Windows XP for Internet access once support has ended. An up to date antivirus program and Firewall will also NOT be enough to stop the exploits and the malware attacks from taking place either.

    I know it can be a pain to roll out new machines running Windows 7 or Windows 8 but the security and speed improvements make it worth it in the long run. Its time for users to move away from Windows XP.
     
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    KAL

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    I am so addicted to XP - withdrawals are going to be SO painful.
     
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    James Martin

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    I seldom turn my XP Home edition PC on anymore.

    Windows 7 is not too bad. You can use Classic Shell to make it look like XP.
     
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    KAL

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    James, I was thinking about asking how the change to Win 7 is and how different is it compared to XP (Pro). I have not heard much about 7 - much more about 8, so I didn't know you could make it look like XP. Comforting.

    What I might do is find an inexpensive laptop with 7 on it and just do my bill pay stuff on that (for security sake) and continue to use the XP laptop for my everyday stuff.

    If I log on not as Admin in XP, how secure will I be with all my security features on when online just reading my mail and following Pinterest and Facebook, and some of the blogs I subscribe to?
     
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    James Martin

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    Windows 7 is easier to migrate to than Windows 8. Windows 8 replaced the desktop with a smattering of apps on the screen (one block takes you to the desktop). There is *no* start button or menu like in previous Windows versions, although I am told that Windows 8.1 brings the start menu back somewhat (I haven't tried 8.1 yet).

    Classic Shell (free software) can make Windows 7 look like XP. I'm not sure if Classic Shell can do that for Windows 8 / 8.1 or not, but it does bring back the start menu.



    KAL, you might want to read this thread. It talks about the issue of leaving XP attached to the web after April of next year...

    http://www.windowsbbs.com/general-discussions/106460-microsoft-may-need-delay-windows-xp-death.html

    Personally, I wouldn't want to be entering online passwords with expired software.
     
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    Whatever programs or apps I use most in Win 7 Ultimate and Win 8.1 Pro I pin to the taskbar. Especially command prompt, registry, run, master control panel, WLM, shutdown shortcut, and restart shortcut. I also add to the Context Menu, Disk Cleanup, Defragment, Copy To, and Move To. That works well for more me.
     
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    ThomasJK

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    Windows xp a relic from another era? I am posting this on DOS 6.0 & Windows 3.1 running on a 486DX2 computer.
    THATS something I would call a relic from another era...

    Got to admit, that 12 years of support is quite a long period.
    Thats two years more, than what was the support for Win 3.1.

    DOS is not dead :) (as you can see)
     
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    ThomasJK

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    I kinda understand it is time retire xp, product that lasts
    a long time, is not a good product (for manufacturer :) )
    Micros~1 needs more $ and wants us all to scrap our working
    windows xp computers, and go and buy new ones with the latest
    windows.
     
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    James Martin

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    And you call yourself a beginner?

    Sound like you know more than me. ;)
     
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    ThomasJK

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    Thank You. Well, I guess I could say "advanced beginner" with
    good instructions :)
    I was surprised to see, that I could post with this OS/browser
    set up. My browser is NCSA Mosaic 2.0 Alpha 7 from 1994. Rest
    of the software on this computer is also "period correct ".

    And about using unsupported/patched software online...
    I wonder if out there is any malware compatible with this 21 year old,
    16-bit OS, that is only capable of running some 32-bit software of its
    time, with 32-bit Application Extensions add-in? I doubt :)
     

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