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Discussion in 'Networking (Hardware & Software)' started by hawk22, 2013/01/10.

  1. 2013/01/10
    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi, my networking knowledge leaves a lot to be desired so here I am.
    In short I have a wired cable modem, that is connected to a 4 port wired TP-Link Router, I am using 3 ports for my 3 machines that are permanently connected and work without any problems.
    I have now added to my list a Dell Inspirion 1440 Laptop running win 7 Ultimate and it sports Bluetooth and wireless internet, I also have a Logitech Squeezebox Touch which also has wireless and I intend to run the Logitech software from the Laptop, to cut a long story short, for mobility I want the Laptop on WiFi.
    My thought was to get a wireless router and connect that to my free port on the wired router. I was told it would work but I don't know how to go about it, should I get a TP-Link same brand as wired router for better compatibility or won't it matter, and naturally then to make it all work with IP and all that jazz.
    I need lots of advice to make this work for me.
    Many thanks in advance.
    hawk22

    Also would the wireless router have to be compatible with the cable modem (Motorola SURFboard SB5101)
     
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    Hi Bill, I just checked with my old Compaq Presario Laptop XL1700. I have a EDUP Wireless Lan card inserted and the Modem Router is Netcomm NB304N ADSL2+ Wireless.
    I just connected with out any problem by using the Default wireless password and located mine and my next door neighbour's Thomson Router.
    Also, my Android phone connects quite easily to WiFi using the same Modem. There are 4 Comps connected to the Router and all works fine. Neil.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Neil, how's it going over your end.
    Neil my Modem is Cable modem only, not a modem router. I have to run a cat cable from the modem to the router, which is wired only.
    cheers
    Bill
     
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    TonyT

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    copied from my response in another post:

    Get what's known as an Access Point.

    A wifi router = wired router with built in access point.

    Access point = stand alone wifi unit.

    Here's how to set it up:

    1. Get an access point. examples

    2. Connect it to a computer using a cat5 cable (wired ethernet cable).

    3. Open a Web browser and connect to its control panel using its IP address, probably 192.168.1.1.

    4. Change its IP address to 1 number higher than the router IP address. For example, if the router is 192.168.1.1, change the AP IP to 192.168.1.2.

    5. Close the browser and reconnect to the AP using its new IP.

    6. Set the AP gateway address to same IP as router. ex. 192.168.1.1

    7. Set the AP DNS server to same IP as router. ex. 192.168.1.1

    8. Assign the AP's SSID a unique name, e.g. Hawk-net.

    9. Disable the AP's DHCP server.

    10. Configure any wifi security, preferable WPA2 TKIP.

    11. Disconnect computer and connect the cat5 to a free port on the router.

    Doing it this way, the wired router handles all addressing and firewalling, the access point simply provides a way for wifi clients to connect and use the network.
     
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    Hi Bill, Sorry I wasn't able to help. My Netcomm unit was supplied Free under 12 months contract with my Telco.
    My previous Telco did the same and it was a Thomson ADSL2 Wireless unit.

    Getting a mixture of weather from you guys lately - hope you're well away from those raging fires. We have friends at Wangaratta who always seem to be near the fires when they break out.
    Our temps haven't hit more than the mid 30's in places, but our top temp in Wellington was Xmas at 29°C. Cheers Neil.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Hi Tony, I did read that post, but did not know if that would apply to what I intend to do.
    Tony would it be in your opinion a advantage to get a same brand in my case TP-Link Access Point my wired router also being TP-Link.
    Or do you know of any brand model that is easy to setup and configure.
    cheers
    hawk22

    Tony also what would you recommend 150 Mbps or 300 Mbps.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Did some research, and here in OZ the TP-Link- TL-WR743ND seems to be well supported for a budget Access Point Router, only 150 Mbps but going at a good prize presently at $32.-
    Any good ??
    hawk22
     
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    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Yep, works fine.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks Mate,
     
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    No problem. :)
     
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    TonyT

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    from a message:
     
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    TonyT

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    Use "AP Router Mode" and Static IP.
    Follow the instructions I gave above.
     
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    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks Tony, will I use the Laptop to do that ?
    hawk22
     
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    TonyT

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    Use any comp you want, so long as it's connected directly by wire to the new router. Basicilly, you will be using the new router as only a wired switch and access point, its router functionality will be disabled.
     
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    OK Tony thanks, but I have more questions for you.
    My new router has a WAN Port and 4, I think LAN ports for wired internet connections.
    To be honest I think I have the wrong product for the Job, looking at examples Access Point's all seem to have a LAN port rather than a WAN port.
    In your instructions you only specify to connect it to the computer via cat cable but where do I connect it to, one of the 4 LAN ports, or the WAN port.
    Thank you for your help.
    hawk22
     
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    TonyT

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    In my first instructions I did specify Access Point. This is just an access point, not a router. You can use a wifi router but its routing will be disabled. The routing gets done by the original modem-router. You do not want 2 routers competing for the same tasks on the network.

    Connect the comp to one of the lan ports. When done, connect the new router to the old router using lan ports. You'll not be using the wan port of the new router UNLESS the new router has a setting to use the wan port as a lan port (some do).
     
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    hawk22

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    OK got that far, now I need a specific answer, sorry Tony.
    I have established the old Routers Start and End IP Address, now as you say I will have to set the Access Point's IP one number above. Start is: 192.168.1.100 and end is : 192.168.1.199, will my AP be then 192.168.1.11.
    Please advice.
    Thanks Tony
    hawk22
     
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    TonyT

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    Your old router's own static lan IP address is probably 192.168.1.1, thus set the new router to 192.168.1.2.

    Those "start and end" numbers are the numbers the router uses for DHCP addresses, Dynamic Host Control Protocol. These are addresses assigned by the router to client computers when they connect. It will not be assigning an address to the new router at all because the new router will have a static address.
     
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    APs add wireless connectivity to an existing "wired" LAN. Wireless capable router(s) broadcast beacons (SSID's) and also have wired LAN (ethernet) capability. If using a another router that you "daisy chain" off your original router, you will plug it into the WAN
    port. I recommend "consoleing" in (do management configurations) and change the IP address subnet to 192.168.2.0 /24. for security reasons I would actually change the subnet mask down to a /28 (gives you a max 14 hosts) or a /29 (max hosts of 6)
    a /28 is 255.255.255.240 and a /29 is 255.255.255.248.
    If using an access point which is a neat way to have "roaming" just plug it in, go into management and make sure DHCP is enabled. It will snag an IP address from your router. Make sure you go back into the original router and make the AP ip address static after it is assigned one.

    The roaming concept assumes that you have an existing wireless network running and you want to extend the range without the host having to re-acquire a new IP address after going out of range of the original router. If exending the range of the existing wireless network give the ap the SSID as the original router

    If you are just adding wireless capability to a wired lan, make sure you give the AP it's own IP address and make it static for management purposes
     
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  21. 2013/01/20
    hawk22

    hawk22 Geek Member Thread Starter

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    Well, no joy as yet, something is not working right, something I might do wrong.
    Whenever I change the IP for the AP I am never able to boot into the new IP of the AP. Now here is the Instructions from TP-LINK that I can not work out either, two points that have me stumped, first is connecting main Router to AP instructions only say into LAN on AP but not LAN or WAN from main router.
    Secondly again, what is the IP for the wireless AP.
    FAQ. instructions here:
    http://www.tp-link.com/en/article/?faqid=417
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