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Resolved Computer Won't Start

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by VaCcAr0, 2013/01/02.

  1. 2013/01/02
    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hello folks,

    So this is the story: I woke up and found that the electricity was not working in 2 of my rooms (my bedroom and what I call "the computer room "). So I flipped the circuit breaker switch off and on again and I got all my power back but...

    One of my computers won't start for some reason. It's a Dell Inspiron 560 Desktop computer. As always, the first thing I did was make sure all cords were plugged in and all surge protectors were turned on. When I plug the power cord into the tower, the green light in the back goes on and when I press the power button in the front, it's just solid amber color and I don't hear it turn on.

    So as usual, I look to video tutorials and did some google searches to see what the problem could be. I tried "discharging the power source" I unplugged the power cord, held the power button for 15 seconds, and plugged it back in. That didn't work. From what I heard, the problem could be that I need a new power supply. I'm not sure if that's it though, and I don't want to waste the money if that's not the issue. Besides, I've had a Dell Dimension Desktop computer since 2004 and I never had a problem with the power supply on that one. But this Inspiron Desktop is only 3 or 4 years old so I don't see why the power supply would die out just like that.

    Any thoughts on this? If it's something I can fix on my own, that would be great. I don't want to bring it someone if I don't have to. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. 2013/01/03
    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    I'd try a different PSU (power supply unit).

    Recently had to replace one in an almost 3-year, 9-month old Dell Inspiron 530s. They told me "the computer was working one day, next day it wasn't." $34 for a new PSU fixed it.
     

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    dnmacleod

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    You should get yourself a PSU tester. Plenty on ebay quite cheap. Just because some of the lights come on doesn't mean that the PSU's OK. The tester will check all the voltages on all the pins.

    Although not unknown, in my experience at least, PSUs rarely fail completely. Most times one of the voltages will fail causing the PC to fail to boot.
     
  5. 2013/01/03
    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Where did you get the PSU from?

    I guess I should just get the same model as the one currently in the computer huh? Not sure if there are compatibility issues with other models.
     
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    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Will the tester fix the issue? Or just identify what's causing the problem? Can the PSU be fixed without having to be replaced?
     
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    MrBill

    MrBill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    It will not fix the issue, just tell you what problems the PSU is having. One the size that is in there or even a little bigger would be fine.
    Sometimes with the PC unplugged from the wall socket, hold the power button in for about 15 seconds and then turn it loose. Plug it back into the wall and try turning it on again. I have seen where you have to hold the power button for about 4 or 5 seconds after this to get it to boot and then after that all will be fine.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Hi VaCcArO.

    As Bill said above a PSU tester will not fix the problem but it will help determine if the cause of the problem is the PSU. Most OEM computers use very low quality, cheap PSU's that are not energy effiecient at all and are not even 80 plus certified. PSU's like other hardware devices such as video cards, motherboards, harddrives, etc are Field Replaceable Units (FRU's) which means that the entire part is designed to get replaced. The parts are not worth fixing individually. That dell PSU was not made of quality parts so it is possible that it could have failed only a few years after you got the computer.

    If you do end up replacing the power supply I would recommend getting this one, CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply.

    The Dell Inspiron 560 only uses a 300 watt power supply so going with a Corsair 430 watt should be perfect for the computer.
     
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    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hey Evan,

    Thanks a bunch. I'll go ahead and get that and see what happens. I'm sure that'll do it. Last time, you recommended a certain graphics card to me and it fixed the problem perfectly, so I'm sure this will do the trick as well.

    Funny how in over a decade, I never needed to replace any parts for my Dell Dimension 2400. But after only 3 years of having this Dell Inspiron, I had to replace the graphics card and power supply.

    Are you better off just building your own PC?
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    It really depends on how comfortable and knowledgeable you are with buying computer components and putting them all together. If you have someone who can help you pick out good quality parts and be able to assist you in building the system then yes its better to build your own. That way you know exactly what you are buying and you can even save money by building your own computer instead of buying an OEM system.
     
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    dnmacleod

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    Indeed - it'd be a right pain if you went out and bought a new PSU only to find that the one you had was OK and the real problem was something else.

    Maybe you could borrow one for a couple of hours though if you knew someone who had a known good spare you could try. Then you could go out to buy one confidently knowing that a new PSU would fix your problem.

    Its always best to build your own if you can or if you know someone who can do it for you. It might not be the cheapest - but it will be a better one than an OEM. I've made the point in a number of threads that OEMs generally build PCs with the cheapest price in mind. That means they cut corners on components. Its a simple fact of life unfortunately. Like most things - if something seems too good (or cheap!) to be true then it generally is - and computers are no exception.
     
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    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    I got that one. It came in the mail today. I can't seem to get to fit in where the old power supply was. Also, the old power supply had a cord (I think it was the cord that gives power to the processor) but I don't see a cord like that on the new power supply. The cord on the new power supply says "CPU" but it's not the same shape as the one that was on the old power supply. I don't know what to do at this point. I would greatly appreciate help with installing it. Is that model really compatible with Dell Inspiron 560?
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    The Dell Inspiron 560 is a mini tower but the 300 Watt power supply should be ATX compatible. You may have to adjust the new PSU in the dell tower since it will be a bit bigger than the 300 Watt one that was preinstalled. The screw holes on the PSU should line up with the holes on the back of the case. Also make sure to unplug all cables from the computer while you switch out the PSU.

    Is the cord on the new PSU that powers the CPU an 8 pin connector? Chances are it is, so if that is the case then plug the first 4 pins of the connector into the 4 pin connection on the motherboard. Then make sure sure you plug the other 24 pin connector into the motherboard as well as any other peripheral devices.
     
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    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    How can I adjust the new PSU? I put the 2 PSUs side by side and they look to be the same size. For some reason I still have a problem getting it in there as if it is too big. I don't want to force it in but I don't know how to go about adjusting it so that it can go in.


    Yes, it is 8 pin. I was worried for a second because the connector on the motherboard was only 4 pin. So even though that cord has extra pins, it will still plug in okay?
     
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    MrBill

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    Did you get the old one out? If so, and that is how you measured it, the new one will go back in. Some are a pain to get in and out.
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    Some OEM cases are like that. It may require a little bit of pressure but it should line up on the back of the case.

    Yes it will. On new PSU's the 8 pin connector is actually two 4 pin connectors put together. Just seperate the 8 pin connector a bit if you can and plug 4 of the pins into the 4 pin motherboard connector. It should fit with no problem. It only goes in one way.
     
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    VaCcAr0

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    I got it to fit in, but I didn't get the holes to line up so that I can put the screws back in. But it seems like it's nice and in place. For some reason, I also had trouble putting the side panel back on.
    But I went ahead and checked to see if my computer could turn on. It did. Right now my computer is working. The new PSU got the job done. My computer is very noisy though, is that because it's installing the device drivers?
     
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    Evan Omo

    Evan Omo Computer Support Technician Staff

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    No it has nothing to do with drivers. When you say that your computer is noisy are any of the fans loud? Its possible that one of the fans is hitting a cable causing it to be more noisy than usual. Make sure that there is no dust or dirt clogging up any of the fans and that no fans are brushing against any cables.
     
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    VaCcAr0

    VaCcAr0 Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    It seems to have calmed down on the noise. Everything seems back to normal now. It was pretty loud for a while when I first booted the system.

    I appreciate the help with this. Thank you very much. Very glad I got my computer back.

    What could have caused the PSU to die?

    Is it best to keep your computer on or shut it off when not in use? I've always kept my computer on, do you think that could have helped kill the old PSU? I just want to make sure that if I helped the old PSU die faster that I don't do the same thing with the new one.
     
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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Sounds like a fan on it's last leg. As the bearing grease dries out, they start to get noisy. If there is still just enough grease to drip in there when it gets warmed up, the noise will die down . . . for a while.

    Solution: Replace the fan. They're not expensive.




    You're welcome. :)




    If the fan bearing(s) froze up, the PSU would have overheated and fried itself. Could have been due to an electrical surge. Also could be just normal wear and tear, everything mechanical wears out.




    Moving parts cause wear, and once the parts are worn enough, it's titsup, (Total Inability To Support Usual Performance). :(
     
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    MrBill

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    I have 3 PC's that have been running for probably 4 or 5 years and the only time they are shut off is when the power goes out or they are restarted for an update or something like that.
    On the fan not being able to put the screws in, it is possible that you have it in upside down. It will need to be turned 180 degrees. The noise could be the PSU rattling in the case because it isn't ******* into it.
     

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