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Advanced Format Hard Drive

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by satnamcat, 2012/07/16.

  1. 2012/07/16
    satnamcat

    satnamcat Inactive Thread Starter

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    As I understand it, Windows XP does not support advanced format drives. Western Digital (WD) instructed me to either put a jumper on jumpers 7 and 8, install the new hard drive (WD 1.5TB Caviar Green SATA 64MB 6GB/s) and transfer a complete system backup (Pavilion 7300e desktop) from my WD My Passport; or, connect the new hard drive to a PC with Windows to run an alignment tool which would enable Windows XP to run on my machine.

    I chose the former. The following message appeared when I booted up the machine: "Disk Boot Failure, Insert System Disk And Press Enter." HP does not include a "system disk" with their machines, what am I missing? Alternatively, how would I connect the hard drive to a PC with Windows were it to come to that?

    Any insight would be most welcome. ;)
     
  2. 2012/07/16
    retiredlearner

    retiredlearner SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Hi, just a quick thought, will BIOS in your HP handle a large HD???
    May have to check with HP or do some Googling. Neil.
     

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    markp62

    markp62 Geek Member Alumni

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    "Disk Boot Failure, Insert System Disk And Press Enter."
    This is a common message saying there isn't a boot sector on the new hard drive, or an operating system is not installed.
    I suppose it is a bit late to tell you the ability to make system recovery CD's were on the old hard drive. You can order the recovery CD from HP. You'll need the serial number of the computer.
    http://www8.hp.com/us/en/support-drivers.html
     
  5. 2012/07/17
    Steve R Jones

    Steve R Jones SuperGeek Staff

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    I also recently learned the hard way that XP doesn't like 1TB + size drives..

    But - Install XP first - then run the align tool.
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    "Advanced" format? I don't know what you mean by that. XP certainly can handle NTFS, which IS the formatting (file system) used primarily today.

    If you mean SATA drives, that is true, XP does not know how to communicate through the SATA "interface" (not "format "), but that can be added to XP - typically during XP installation.
     
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    Arie

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    Arie,
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    Arie

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    See the PDF above.

    If you want to clone a partition(or multiple partitions) you only run the WD align tool, not set the jumpers.

    The only case where you use the jumpers is with a clean install on a single partition.
     
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    Bill

    Bill SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Ah, I see. Thanks Arie.

    Another marketing misuse of terminology. :(

    "Advance Format" is a term that has been around for decades and it would seem WD is trying to snag it for their own "tag line ". But this is just the latest protocol "standard ", agreed to by many in both the hard and software industries.

    See The Advent of Advance Format and Wikipedia: Advanced Format

    I should have put 2 and 2 together but it did not "click ". Sorry.
     
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    satnamcat

    satnamcat Inactive Thread Starter

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    Thank you all for your contributions.

    To reiterate, Western Digital (WD) instructed me to put a jumper on jumpers 7 and 8, install the new hard drive (WD 1.5TB Caviar Green SATA 64MB 6GB/s) and transfer a complete system backup (MyBackup1.qic) from my WD My Passport. They stated that once the jumper was set and the hard drive installed, I'd be able to transfer the complete backup from My Passport onto the newly installed hard drive.

    When I booted up the machine (Pavilion 7300e desktop) the following message appeared: "Disk Boot Failure, Insert System Disk And Press Enter." When I inserted the recovery discs created upon purchase, the following message appeared: These PC recovery discs do NOT support this PC model. Noteworthy: these same recovery discs also were not recognizable by the factory hard drive (Seagate 250 GB).

    Flash forward, after removing the jumper and inserting a bootable alignment CD (Acronis) the same “disk boot failure” message appeared. I consulted with WD further and was informed that the only way to recover my data is to reinstall windows XP first.

    Options: Connect the hard drive to a PC with Windows and run the alignment tool thereby enabling Windows XP to run on my machine? If so, how do I connect the hard drive? Do I need a hard drive caddy? Or, is there an easier way I can transfer my full system backup to the hard drive?

    HP was unwilling to assist in any way, citing machine obsolescence (2006) as the reason.
     
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    Arie

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    You say it's a new hard drive: I would return it for a refund.
     
  12. 2012/07/27
    Steve R Jones

    Steve R Jones SuperGeek Staff

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    Food for thought..

    As I mentioned above - I recently installed XP and then ran the alignment tool. In your case - you probably need to do the F6 option and insert a floppy with SATA drivers.
     
  13. 2012/07/27
    satnamcat

    satnamcat Inactive Thread Starter

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    Installing Windows XP

    Steve R Jones: What is the best way to install XP on the hard drive? Connect the hard drive to a PC with Windows then download XP? If so, how do I connect the hard drive to the PC? Do I need a hard drive caddy? Or, create XP bootable CD's? If so, can you direct me to a site? Or, perhaps there's an easier way to transfer my full system backup to the hard drive? This is all new to me, please be specific. ;)
     
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    markp62

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    satnamcat

    satnamcat Inactive Thread Starter

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    Installing Windows XP on SATA

    Markp62:

    It's not yet completely clear how to proceed...:confused:

    HP did not and does not provide an original Windows XP Installation CD.

    "...we need the drivers for the SATA controller provided by the manufacturer" Original drivers from HP?

    Where am I downloading the drivers and the Nlite application to?
     
  16. 2012/07/28
    docdoom

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    (Disclaimer: If your system is still under warranty or guarantee, then contact the place of purchase and raise your issue with them. I only offer a solution to this problem and am not responsible for any damage or personal harm that may arise from this guide).

    What you need to do:
    1. An original Windows XP CD
    2. A working Windows XP PC
    3. A blank writable CD (that is CDR or CDRW should work fine)
    4. nLite – a fine, free utility used to create a custom XP CD. Download Here:
    http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/nLite.shtml
    (Click on the blue circle with white arrow pointing to the right with the word download to start nLite download)
    5. SATA Drivers – This is the tricky part.
    6. Go to your PC, laptop or motherboard manufacturer’s website or if it’s a new Hard Drive go to the company’s site
    7. Find the Support or Downloads section
    8. Find the Hard Disk or SATA or Hard Disk Controller or Motherboard drivers area
    9. Download the driver package to your hard disk and extract to a folder on your desktop.
    (If you can’t find it then leave a comment with your PC/Laptop/Motherboard manufacturer and model number and someone will help you find them)

    Create the Windows XP CD:
    1. Install nLite – you may be prompted to install Microsoft .NET Framework. If you are then, install it. nLite requires this.
    2. Have your SATA drivers (see above) downloaded and extracted to a folder on your Desktop.
    3. Insert your Windows XP CD. If it autoplays, just cancel back to your Desktop.
    4. Launch nLite by locating the program on either your Desktop or in your Start Menu
    5. On Welcome to nLite! screen click Next
    6. On the Locating the windows installation screen click Browse and select your CD/DVD drive (i.e. your Windows XP CD/DVD) > Click OK > Click Next
    7. You will be prompted where you want to save the CD installation files. Select or create a folder as prompted and click OK. The XP install files will begin copying to the folder.
    8. Click OK on the Presets screen.
    9. Now you are presented with a number of options – select the Drivers button so that it has a green light next to it > click Next
    10. On the Drivers screen, click Insert > You will be asked for Single or Multiple driver option. This will depend on the drivers you need for your particular hardware.
    11. You will know be prompted to select a single driver INF file. Again, this is dependent on your own specific hardware. You will need to find out your specific hardware information from your manufacturers/company’s website so that you can select the correct driver file.
    12. You will now be asked to select a Mode and an Integration option. For Mode you will need to select Textmode driver as this the driver Windows Setup requires. You then need to select a driver from the list of textmode drivers. Ensure you select the correct driver for your particular hardware & OS. After you have selected, click OK and Next.
    13. Now you’re asked, “Are you sure you want to start the process?” > Click Yes.
    14. When the process finishes you will see a summary have the opportunity create an ISO file. Click Make ISO.
    15. Select a location to save the ISO file to and click OK.
    16. Once the ISO file is saved you can use it to create a bootable CD using your favourite CD burning software (I use ImgBurn its free) get it here select from one of seven download mirrors, current version is v2.5.7.0:
    http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download

    Just a word of advice; I have been informed WD have had issues lately with their hard drives, the drives have been damaged, bad sectors, and other problems, because cause of this they WD no longer offer free replacement drives.

    I say this because a friend has had 3 replacement drives for one HDD that was under warrenty in one year. Not to mention the poor customer service. Its put me off WD.

    Hope this helps doc
     
  17. 2012/07/30
    satnamcat

    satnamcat Inactive Thread Starter

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    Thank YOU!

    Thank you to all who graciously took the time to respond to my queries. ;)
     

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