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Resolved second IDE HDD problem

Discussion in 'PC Hardware' started by ralfska, 2012/04/30.

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    ralfska

    ralfska Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Hi,

    I seem to have a problem when trying to add another ATA hard drive (HD1)to my older PC. I'm connecting the second disk as secondary slave and it's being recognized perfectly in Bios, but it's not showing up in the system, neither in Windows (XP) Explorer nor in Device Manager. The first disk (ATA) (HD0) with the operating system is connected as primary master. They are connected with the same tape and I already tried a different tape to eliminate any problems with it. The second disk is also not visible in Administrative Tools|Disk management.
    Interestingly, when the second disk is acting as the only hard drive, then it's okay. Weird.
    What could I do to get both HDDs to work?
     
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    Steve R Jones

    Steve R Jones SuperGeek Staff

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    Is the first drive jumpered as Master?

    You could also try CS on both drives.
     

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    SpywareDr

    SpywareDr SuperGeek WindowsBBS Team Member

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    Check the jumper(s) on the Primary hard drive. Some drives have two different Master settings:

    1) Master only

    2) Master with Slave

    Also, make sure the Master drive is connected to the end of the ribbon cable, and the Slave to the center connector.
     
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    ralfska

    ralfska Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Yes, before posting here, I tried with **several** jumper configurations. Enabling "cable select" on both HDDs changes nothing. The slave drive is connected to the center connector. In Bios I can clearly see that one (HD 0) is set as primary master and the other is secondary master. There is also a DVD-ROM drive displayed as the secondary master.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Expand on this statement: Does the second (added) disk hold an OS? I mean ... :confused: ... it must to show up in Windows Explorer or Disk Management.

    Do I understand it correctly that you started with HDD0 as Primary Master and the DVD as Secondary Master (as reported in BIOS)? Both at the end of the cables?

    Next, you added HDD1 as Secondary Slave, to the middle connector?

    If so,

    should be impossible!

    What happens if you connect HDD1 as Primary Slave?
     
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    ralfska

    ralfska Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Christer:
    Yes, the second HDD holds Windows XP, too but I was only able to install anything on it when that disk acted as the only HDD.


    The DVD-ROM is connected using a separate ribbon and it's the secondary master. The other ribbon connects both HDDs. HD 0 is primary master and HD 1 is primary slave.


    Sorry, my mistake. It should have been: HD 1 is primary slave, DVD-ROM is secondary master.

    What happens if you connect HDD1 as Primary Slave?[/QUOTE]
    It's already connected that way. When HD 0 with Windows XP is loaded then nothing but HD 0 is visible. No trace of HD 1 in the system. I would assume the HD 1 is corrupt if it were not showing up in Bios.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    Okey,
    then you don't have two drives showing up (in BIOS) as Secondary Master, right?

    Does HDD1 hold any data or anything at all that you want to keep? If not, try wiping it using DelPart. You need to create a bootable floppy and add the utility to it.

    When booting from the floppy, as a precaution, have HDD0 disconnected!

    DelPart will wipe all partitions from HDD1 and in consequence, all attributes like "active partitions" and such.

    When reconnecting HDD0 and rebooting from it, keep you fingers crossed that HDD1 shows up in Disk Management.

    If not, I'm out of ideas ... :eek: ... !
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    I forgot to mention that I jumper all drives Cable Select. It has never failed.
     
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    ralfska

    ralfska Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Christer, thanks for the advice.

    I could try deleting everything from HD 1 using DelPart. However, I already used some good 3rd part software (BootIt Bare Metal) to remove all partitions from it. Now it holds only another copy of Windows XP.
     
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    Christer

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    Okey,
    good luck!
     
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    ralfska

    ralfska Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    BTW, do you know of any **reliable** software for checking HDDs (testing the spin up time, etc.)? I'd like to determine the health of a few HDDs that I own.
     
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    Christer

    Christer Geek Member Staff

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    I believe that such utilities can be found on the respective manufacturers homepage.
     
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    Older systems and drives can be finicky.

    One other thought if haven't already tried it based on
    Remove the DVD drive and try the HDD on that cable. Jumped as master or CS if that's what you're using.

    Leave the DVD off for the test. If that works then put the DVD on the primary cable as the slave.
     
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    ralfska

    ralfska Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Unfortunately, nothing seems to work. I've given it up. I appreciate your trying to help me, though.
     
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    robcrombie

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    I agree with ephemarial
    Get the optical drive out of the equation for the moment.
    What brand are your hard drives ?
    My PCs are all 2004 or older.
    I have decided not to use CS anymore as that is a bit of a raffle.
    I have also given up on my dreams of having two drives with XP on each. I love the idea, but there can be issues when doing that.

    - So use the cable on the primary IDE motherboard socket
    - Set jumper for the drive on the cable end, to Master (or Master with Slave, if that choice is available)
    - Set jumper for the drive in the middle of the cable to Slave

    Rob
     
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    robcrombie

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    OOPs,
    I had two threads open, and I am old.
     
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    tigerbright

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    Hi , my understanding is that the new second drive has Windows installed , so directly or indirectly may be an issue , as such is best to attach this drive as single master and full zero overwrite / reformat using the drive vendor tool from a bootable floppy or cd disk (this will also test and repair if required)
    Then re-attach the current master system drive , then re-attach the now clean second drive
    Go in to drive management and initialize, partition and high level format the drive
    Hope this helps
    ps
    All PATA (IDE) drives INCLUDING optical drive must use the same config method, ie all Master/slave or all CS
     

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