Cleaning out programs Netscape and Seamonkey after upgrade to Seamonkey 2.0

I tried a search, but nothing seems to answer this on the forum as yet. Sorry if I missed it.

Over the years from 1998 my programs have gone from Communicator to Netscape and various versions of it. Last was to SeaMonkey and upgrades of the 1X versions. Last night I downloaded SeaMonkey 2.07 and migrated all the mail folders for the ID's that I recreated.

It works very well and now I see in the Add and Remove Programs I have the following in the list
Netscape 7.2 no content amount which means it is buried/stored and unused?
Seamonkey no content amount which means it is buried/stored and unused?
Seamonkey 2 which is the suite that I am using and it has the file content number.

Now I'm wondering can I now remove Netscape 7.2 and all files as it states when I hit remove?
Same for Seamonkey?

It would be nice to clean out all these files as when I go to the program files or Document/User files I find what seems like way too many files that would be repeats even if not the same versions.

Am I all wet here in wanting to remove these?

Thanks for any advice.

 

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Meaning what? That applies to all other programs listed. Are you telling me that if you look in the Program Files folder, there is no content in a Netscape folder? What do you mean by

for Seamonkey 2.
As for the Profiles, they are in hidden folders, but it seems that you know where they are, but do you. The Netscape 7.x and Seamonkey 1.x profiles are in the mozilla.org folder, they are of the .slt persuasion, unlike SM2.x, which in a format like Firefox or Thunderbird.

 

Cleaning out programs Netscape, etc

I did ask for help, and would appreciate a bit of patience. Thanks

As I explained this computer has been on the go for the last 6 years or so and the Netscape etc was installed from my previous computer at that time.

My question related for starters to the fact that in the "Add and Remove" programs control panel section the programs read as follows.

Mozilla Firefox 3.6.8 Size 31.34 MB
Netscape 7.2 nothing else on this line regarding the size
Seamonkey 1.1.18 nothing else on this line regarding the size
Seamonkey 2.0.7 Size40.29 MB

My question was that when the remove button is clicked for 7.2 it states that all files will be removed and asks for permission.
This is the same for Seamonkey 1.1.18

I'm asking if this is the case and they are removed, will all the migrated ID files for the Seamonkey 2.0.7 remain safe?

I know perhaps I didn't explain it well, but I have worked with Ramona over the years and recovered and transferred .slt files and recovered bookmarks, history etc.

Now all that said...............

Program Files\Seamonkey(2) 228 MB
2450 Files 61 Folders Oct 29/09 This would be the new one just downloaded I think.

Program Files\Netscape
Contains Communicater 185KB 1 File 2 Folder
Netscape 26.6 MB 381 files 39 folders
Users 0 bytes

Program Files\Mozilla.org\Seamonkey 41.9 MB
417 Files and27 folders created Feb 6, 2007

Then there is the new Folder of Sept7, 2010 Which would be Seamonkey 2.0.7 due to the download time.
Program Files\Mozilla.org\Seamonkey 39.6MB
309 Files and 45 folders

Now C: Documents and Settings\OWNER\ApplicationData\Mozilla contains the following
extensions, firefox, profiles, seamonkey, plugreg. registry

Profiles contains .slt ID's created 2007

Seamonkey contains 7.39GB of oct29/09
Crash reports and profiles with the new migrated profiles Sept 8/10 of this mornings transfer AND yet another profile folder which contains the old .slt ID's as above from Oct 29/09


And so that is why I asked what I could clean out of this mess. Sorry if I can't be clearer. I am trying to explain where they are.

 

Have you tried an uninstaller so that extraneous files are not left around? Here's the best uninstaller from Revo and it's free:

http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,66703-order,4/description.html

 

Thanks for the response. NO, I hadn't heard of that program. I'll look into it, but wonder if it will "clean up" these programs as computers are capable of running more than one at a time and so perhaps not extraneous (as in obsolete) by meaning.

Update, just checked it out and worth bookmarking, but I think this is more for "leftover" bits after programmes are removed. I am more concerned at removing programmes and taking out common files needed for the programme I want to keep and use.

Hope that clarifies the long posting that I made above. I really just want Seamonkey (2) that was just installed and the migrated and successful profiles that I created. They are operating well and once this is all cleaned up, I would do a backup of them.

I don't need the space, but it sure is getting messy!

 

Hello, Gloria.

Take some time and read a bit about Revo. Granted, it may not be exactly what you are looking for, but it is the best in its field in terms of removing/uninstalling programs in their entirety. I love the Hunter Mode. In fact, I've just removed some older programs from my computer and it went into the registry and removed all traces of those programs. It actually starts by using the uninstaller of the program involved (if one was provided) then scans for other files left behind and registry keys that need cleaning. Again... this may not be quite what you are looking for but I offer it as a possible means to clean up the mess.

 

Thanks for enlightening me further. I will have a look at it definitely! I did bookmark it as it seemed to be a possibility and you have encouraging remarks, not just a promo comment.

Thanks again for taking the time to help me
Gloria

 

Honestly, I never paid attention to the size of the program in the Add/Remove. But, I can assure you that if you select to uninstall Netscape, nothing else will be affected.
In other words, if you select Netscape or Seamonkey1.x, Seamonkey2.x will not be affected.The same applies to other programs. After uninstalling a program, you can click on a button, which tells you what was not remove by the Add/Remove. The remaining files/folders can be deleted. The reason why one has to use the Add/Remove is because you do not only remove the files/folders, but also the corresponding Registry key. In addition, there are the profiles, which must be removed separately. But, I would not hurry. Data can still be imported from such profiles, although the main program no longer exists.
But, it is possible that an uninstaller as mentioned by leushino may be better. Once, when I tried to uninstall a Netscape program, it started removing icons from my Desktop, whether they belong to Netscape or not, but this is a rare encounter.
I have not had any Netscape7.x for years, and removed Seamonkey1.x once I became convinced that SM2.x was just as good.

 

Wow!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, I did the add and remove of Netscape and Seamonkey 1.18 and registry repair program.

I no longer have a desktop icon for Seamonkey and in the start menu list there is just two items.........
Seamonkey (Safe Mode)
Seamonkey mail


If I hit Seamonkey mail the profile manager opens and I can get to the mail accounts as chosen by name. If I want to go online I have to go up to Window and click on the Browser button.

Is this how it works now? There is no desktop icon for anything (shortcut)

Is this perhaps because I also have Firefox downloaded and on the desktop?

Seamonkey2 is still in the program Add and Remove list and so it wasn't changed apparently

 

Well... as I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't have gone about it in this manner but I'm sure things will be fine. If you have no desktop icons for SeaMonkey, you can open the program from your Start button, right click and create a desktop icon (if that is what you are asking). Firefox and SeaMonkey are entirely separate (and that includes the profiles) so you can delete one without affecting the other. If you have migrated everything from SeaMonkey 1 to SeaMonkey 2, you should be able to safely delete whatever remains of the original.

As an aside: I believe you will find down the road that the idea of a suite (i.e. SeaMonkey, Opera) is increasingly becoming a thing of the past. Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome... all are stand-alone browsers two of which have dedicated pop mail programs (i.e. Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail) and one which has web mail. And today... more and more users of the internet are switching to webmail accounts (i.e. hotmail, gmail, yahoo mail and a host of others), instant messengers and/or communicating through social networks (i.e. Facebook). You can even use some webmail accounts (i.e. gmail) to access your pop mail account if that is something you cannot seem to let go. As for myself, I dropped the suite idea several years ago and have never looked back. Just my two cents mind you.

 

Okay,,,,,,, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is perhaps the way this will end, but I sure would like to know what is happening in the program file area.

There is two Seamonkey folders.....one Seamonkey created Sept 7 2010 which is the one also now in the add and remove controls folders
It is 39.6 MB/40.2MB with 307 files and 45 folders

The other is label Seamonkey(2) 228MB/190MB with 2450 files and 61 folders.
created october 29/09 and by comparison appears huge in size.
Why this one is still there, I don't know as it doesn't show up in the add and remove and I would think it was the older version and should have been removed at the add and remove action

I have enough disk space to last me for 20years and so it isn't a problem leaving it there, but am curious which one the computer is actually using.

 

Gloria, try posting your questions in the SeaMonkey forum here:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php?c=3&sid=d637ce71599ef1d5704ed01d4bb2f9e7

You will undoubtedly receive better answers than we have been able to provide. Sorry.

 

Seriously, I want to thank you and Westside for all your suggestions and help.

The whole thing is operating without problems (cross fingers and touch wood)

I did post to the Mozilla/Seamonkey forum two days ago and that was with regard to the migration of profile problem. As yet NO one has responded.

I seem to always be able to find help over her at Windws BBS...you are all great helpers and much appreciated.

I think perhaps I'll leave it for the moment and see if if reveals itself overtime as to why there are two folders with different sizes and why the older one didn't disappear.

AS I said "if it ain't broke,.............."

Over time perhaps someone will read this with the same problems and perhaps it will be solved.

In the meantime........Thanks again.

Gloria
Peachland BC Canada

 

Gloria,
which is the path for your two folders, and do both have a seamonkey.exe file?
I don't have a Seamonkey1.x, but the same should apply to you, now. The Seamonkey2.x program is in this path: C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey

 

Hi Westside.
I installed the Seamonkey new 2.0.7 version on 9/7/2010

I did a search of C:\ for "Seamonkey.exe "

Results
Seamonkey
Location C:\Program Files\Seamonkey Type: Application
Version: 1.9.1.3889 Date Modified 8/25/2010
Size 10.9MB

Seamonkey.exe-169680FC
Location C:\windows\prefetch Type: P.F. File opens with unknown application
Size 78.5KB Date Modified 9/7/2010 6:36pm

Seamonkey.exe-38687A46
Location C:\windows\prefetch Type P.F. File opens with unknown application
Size 78KB date Modified 9/7/2010 5:34pm

Seamonkey.exe.hdmp Type: HDMP File
Location
C:\Documents and Settings\owner\local settings\temp\WER1bf1.dir00
Size 27.8 MB Date Modified 9/7/2010

Seamonkey.exe.mdmp Type MDMP File opens with unknown application
Location
C:\Documents and Settings\owner\local settings\temp\WER1bf1.dir00
Size 113KBDate Modified 9/7/2010

both Seamonkey folders Seamonkey and Seamonkey(2) are located in
C:\Program Files\ one above the the other in explore mode of program files
Other than date of origination, Sept 7, 2010 9/7/2010 there seems to be no way to indicate the new 2.0.7 version that was downloaded.
The previous posting explains the size etc for these two folders.

Sort of like a rubic's cube isn't it?

 

I just stumbled across Windows BBS and this group, and noticed how confused you are Gloria. Let me try to shed some light on your problem.

When you had Net 7.1, it created its own profile. Thats the .slt one.

The profile is where all your bookmarks, passwords, mail, etc, is stored.

When you installed SM 1, it picked up your Net 7.1 profile and started using it. You had one profile for both programs.

When you installed SM 2, it could not use your SM 1 profile, so it created a new profile and imported [or migrated] your SM 1 stuff over to the new SM 2 profile.

When you installed SM 2, it took-over some of your SM 1 settings and icons.

When you uninstalled SM 1, it also removed some of the icons, windows registry settings, and other settings from SM2.

So, my recommendations would have been as follows:

1. uninstall Net 7.1. Use either the windows add/remove programs, or the Revo uninstaller. Revo will also remove the windows registery entries, but it will not remove your Net 7.1/SM 1 profile.

2. if you're sure you don't want to use SM 1, then uninstall that aswell. Again, your profile will not be removed.

3. Also, uninstall SM 2. Again, your SM 2 profile will be safe.

4. Reboot the computer.

5. Reinstall SM 2. And it will start to pick up your SM 2 profile.

Other info:

SM 1 and Net 7.2 is installed into C:\program files\mozilla.org

SM 2 is installed into C:\program files\seamonkey

Your profile is stored somewhere in C:\documents and settings. I don't know where exactly, as I don't use the default settings.

Anything in C:\windows\prefetch can be safely removed. As a matter of fact, if you want, you can remove everything in that directory.

Something else you can do:

locate your SM 1 profile. Thats the .slt one. Now, zip it all up, and put that zip file somewhere safe. Now delete everything in that .slt profile.

 

I had prepared a thorough reply, since I disagreed with most statements, but I could find no proof of one statement, as I, no longer, have Seamonkey1.x, so I downloaded SM1.1.19, and tried to install it to find where it was headed. While this was going on, I had Firefox, which I am using now, open, with an incomplete post. Apparently, the installation of SM1.x caused Firefox to crash, losing the earlier part of my message, but I was able to prove one point. Seamonkey1.x installs in a different directory as 2.x, so

, this above statement is unfounded. SM1.x installs in Program Files|mozilla.org|Seamonkey, while SM2 installs in Program Files|Seamonkey. It is true, that the profile is not removed by uninstalling the program.
As for removing the profile, the best tactic is to open the Profile Manager, and removing the profile there, but almost any other method will do.
I never migrated any data from my profiles, having created separate profiles, but individual files in either .slt profile, or the SM2.x profile are interchangeable, and can be copy/pasted. Only the entire profiles are not interchangeable.

 

excuse me, but what I said IS true. It happened to me, and its happened to many others within the mozillazine forums. I would not have said it if it wasn't true. I'm still using SM 1. I installed SM 2, but it caused nothing but problems with SM 1, so I uninstalled both, reinstalled 1, and downloaded the .zip version for SM 2, and I haven't had problems since. As the zipped version isn't an installed version.

The entire mail directory can be copied over, and so can the bookmarks.html file. However, most of the other files cannot. SM 1 used the .txt or .rdf formats, whereas SM 2 uses the .sqlite method. Further, the addons/extensions cannot be as they would only be compatible with SM 1 and not with SM 2. You would have to fine one specifically for SM 2.

 

I don't know why only the installed SM2.x would give you problems. The unzipped version must use a profile of some kind, so I have no idea where there is a weak link. There should not be one in the program. I must agree with you that SM2.x is related to Firefox, and, therefore it uses the .sqlite format.
I will install 1.1.9, and risk possible problems, but, at least I will not be doing any guesswork.

 

I installed SM1.1.18, which I am using now. As expected it installed, by default in Program Files|mozilla.org|seamonkey, while Seamonkey 2.0.7 was installed in Program Files|Seamonkey. No files of SM2.x were affected, program or profiles'. There was only one, minor, surprise. 1.1.18 replaced the desktop shortcut with its own information, so there was no way to access 2.x. Going to the 2.x folder, I was able to create a shortcut of the 2.x seamonkey2.x, so everything is cool. Again, I am not surprised that 1.1.18 took residence in the existing Desktop shortcut, as both programs, though different are driven by a file with identical name, i.e. seamonkey.exe. Apparently, I had, still, an old profile, which was picked up by SM1.1.18. To give you an idea of the type of content, it had a http://netscape.aol.com home page. There has been no Netscape for a couple of years. I, also, found out that I had one aim.com mail account, containing nothing but Viagra, and similar spam.
The conclusion is that starting with SM2.x, and backtracking to 1.x, does not affect the existing program, except for the shortcut.
Since 1.x is an end-of-life program, and, as such vulnerable, I will uninstall it, ASAP.